Prevention Cohort LIVE Ep 7: “Online safety. What’s really out there?” with Alecia Caudill from Family Services of North Alabama and Film maker Chong Kim
Welcome to the Prevention Cohort LIVE stream, sponsored by PBJ Learning
Today, we welcome Alecia Caudill, who is the iSafety Program Director at Family Services of North Alabama with a mission to provide safer environments to children. The last nine years, she has focused on creating, building, and advancing FSNA's immersive, rapidly growing iSafety Program to raise awareness, promote online safety, and educate parents. Alecia has been invited to speak at several conventions, including Mozfest and The Alabama Foster & Adoptive Parent Association. Her presence was requested by Secretary of State John H. Merrill to attend the Cyber Security Education Seminar.
We are also joined by Chong Kim, who an Asian American Survivor of Human Trafficking and Child Sex Exploitation, a harrowing experience recounted in the 2012 film, Eden. Now a dedicated human and civil rights advocate, Kim works tirelessly to educate others on how to keep their families and communities safe. Working alongside those who are striving to end slavery and injustice, she empowers victims and survivors alike. In 2014, Kim was honored by My Sister's Voice as one of the top 40 women who inspire the world.
Alecia is going to present what she has been sharing at her in person training. From what I've seen before this talk, you're going to love it.
(After the show now…)
Here are a few links from the show:
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We mention at the beginning of the episode that this show requires you to understand what human trafficking is, so please view the previous episode, Prevention Cohort LIVE Ep 6: AMP Model Discussion; Social Media “Human Trafficking Panic” Posts
- Chong Kim recommends https://www.missingkids.org/netsmartz/home
- Alecia Caudill demonstrates https://www.spokeo.com/
- Alecia Caudill demonstrates https://stealingurfeelin.gs/ (that's her in the thumbnail, with the glasses). ALECIA KNEW THEY'D DO THESE THINGS – THE RESULTS ARE NOT HER OPINIONS. She's trying to show you how the system works and I'm proud of her for doing this!
- Chong recommends everyone try https://slaveryfootprint.org/# to find out how many slaves they are responsible for.
We record these meetings so you can watch them as a bit of an extra resource for yourself.
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“My,” below is actually Chong Kim.
- HIGHLIGHT – Alecia expresses her frustration with a situation that has become overwhelming and excessive. – WATCH (15 secs)
- Billy Joe and Alecia discuss the importance of understanding human trafficking and the potential dangers of people search engines, as Alecia shares her experience of finding detailed information about her late grandfather online. – PLAY @26:26
- Alecia expressed astonishment at the amount of personal information she found about someone, realizing the potential risks of such data being used against them. Billy Joe acknowledged the concern and My agreed, expressing support for taking precautions. – PLAY @30:29
- Alecia tried to help Billy Joe log in, but he mentioned a program from the early 2000s that allowed access to personal information of individuals. However, Alecia was unable to assist further without more specific details. – PLAY @31:11
- Alecia, Billy Joe, and My discussed the dangers of sharing personal information online, including the risks of predators finding and targeting individuals. They also highlighted the existence of various tools and techniques that can be used to gather personal data from the internet. – PLAY @32:24
- Billy Joe and Alecia discussed the age range and reactions of people when speaking to classrooms about internet safety, with Alecia using a simpler method to explain it. They also talked about the importance of being safe online, including doing background checks and being cautious when meeting people online. – PLAY @40:47
- My went on Tinder and used an app called FaceApp to make themselves look like a little girl. They used this disguise to catch predators on dating sites and also played kid games to further trap them. – PLAY @46:13
- Billy Joe and My discussed how Billy Joe used an app to create videos with his face, making him look different ages. He then confessed to interacting with adult men on dating apps and Robleblox, pretending to be younger than he actually was. – PLAY @46:40
- HIGHLIGHT – My discusses using a face-changing app to deceive adult men on dating apps. – WATCH (1 min)
- Alecia informed My about a new app that allowed teenagers to share their class schedules, but there was no supervision or administration, making it possible for anyone to join and track the whereabouts of these kids. – PLAY @48:46
- Billy Joe, My, and Alecia discussed their experiences with online dangers in the early 2000s, including encountering hackers, identity theft, and inappropriate online interactions. They emphasized the importance of parental supervision and educating children about online safety to prevent such incidents. – PLAY @49:19
- My, Alecia, and Billy Joe discussed the importance of addressing suspicious online activities with children and teaching them about the potential dangers. Alecia shared her experience of guiding her son through a situation involving inappropriate content and how they worked together to understand the consequences and make better choices. – PLAY @57:54
- My, Alecia, and Billy Joe discussed the tactics used by groomers in human trafficking, including manipulation, gaining trust, and exploiting vulnerabilities. They also highlighted the importance of financial independence as a prevention technique and the need to promote healthy relationships and independence for young girls. – PLAY @1:02:49
- Billy Joe and Alecia were discussing the manipulation tactics used by traffickers, where they convince victims that they are part of a business venture and exploit their internal drive. Alecia also mentioned an online tool called “Stealing Your Feelings” that she had used in schools, cautioning that it had embarrassed some people in the past. – PLAY @1:11:06
- Billy Joe and Alecia discussed the presence of facial emotion recognition AI in popular apps and websites, which can analyze users' facial expressions to determine their emotions and make decisions about their preferences and opinions without their consent. They also mentioned that tech companies like Snapchat, Facebook, and Apple have plans to implement this technology. – PLAY @1:13:00
- Alecia and Billy Joe discussed various topics including smell dating, an artificial intelligence job interview website, and the collection and use of personal data. They also briefly mentioned eye tracking. – PLAY @1:20:06
- Billy Joe and Alecia discussed the plans for face and eye tracking in the next version of Quest, expressing concerns about the potential collection and sharing of personal data, especially with the lowered age limit to 10 years old. – PLAY @1:21:20
- Alecia and Billy Joe discussed their concerns about the dangers of online gaming, including encountering young children playing late at night without parental knowledge and the potential risks of sharing personal information with strangers. – PLAY @1:25:15
- HIGHLIGHT – Alecia discusses the potential dangers of sharing personal information and mentions a software called “apply magic sauce.” – WATCH (1 min)
- Billy Joe, Alecia, and My discussed the process of downloading data from Facebook and how it can predict personal information like age and personality traits. They also talked about how people can exploit weaknesses and manipulate others based on their appearance and behavior. – PLAY @1:28:44
- My and Alecia discussed their encounters with criminals and their tactics, including identity theft, fraud, and human trafficking. They shared stories of how they became more cautious and skeptical when it comes to sharing personal information, even in job applications. – PLAY @1:37:37
- Alecia mentioned that someone had helped her by providing information to a detective regarding a certain matter. However, shortly after, she was scammed and lost a significant amount of money from her connected crypto and bank accounts. – PLAY @1:42:00
- HIGHLIGHT – Alecia was scammed and lost her crypto savings, but is creating a film about human trafficking. – WATCH (1 min)
- Alecia, My, and Billy Joe were discussing their excitement about networking and their passion for helping troubled kids. They also mentioned their plans to work with talented actors, including Stephen Bauer, who would play the lead ice agent in My's film. – PLAY @1:43:41
- My discussed her plans for a film with Alecia, mentioning that she had multiple personalities due to trauma. She explained that the film would focus on a female survivor with an alter ego, and shared the characteristics of each personality. – PLAY @1:46:16
- My, Alecia, and Billy Joe discussed various topics including the importance of female empowerment without male bashing, My's personal experiences with trafficking and addiction, the need for political leaders to address and combat trafficking, the connection between the drug trade and labor trafficking, and the challenge of raising awareness about trafficking. They emphasized the need for people to wake up, acknowledge the reality of trafficking, and take action to prevent it. – PLAY @1:47:50
- HIGHLIGHT – The conversation discusses cobalt in batteries, human trafficking, and a movie name. – WATCH (1 min)
- My asked Alecia to share a quiz about human trafficking and its connection to us. Alecia agreed and thanked My for the suggestion. – PLAY @1:56:26
- My and Billy Joe had a conversation about the abolitionists, praising their fearlessness, determination, and ability to challenge societal norms in the fight against human trafficking. They recognized the brilliance of these exceptional individuals who believed they could end human trafficking and ultimately achieved it. – PLAY @1:57:11
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Prevention Cohort LIVE Ep 7: “Online safety. What's really out there?” with Alecia Caudill from Family Services of North Alabama and Film maker Chong Kim – August 24
VIEW RECORDING – 119 mins (5 mins of highlights)
@26:11 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
HIGHLIGHT: Alecia expresses her frustration with a situation that has become overwhelming and excessive. – WATCH
I love that we have people that are serious about this. So, look, let me go ahead and kick this thing off the best I know how and welcome everybody to the PBJ Learning Prevention cohort live stream sponsored by PBJ Learning.
Today, we are welcoming Alecia Caudill. Is that how I pronounce it?
@26:30 – Alecia Caudill
I've never said your name out loud in front of you.
@26:33 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
How do you? Is that Caudill?
@26:36 – Alecia Caudill
Caudill, like a deal pickle.
@26:38 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Caudill, I love it. She's the iSafety Program Director at Family Services of North Alabama and she has a mission to provide safer environments to children.
I have really been impressed by everything that Alecia has been teaching me. So, the last nine years, she's focused on creating building and advancing FNSAs immersive rapidly.
We are also joined by Chong Kim, is an Asian American survivor of human trafficking and child sex exploitation. A harrowing experience recounted in the 2012 film Eden.
Now a dedicated human and civil rights advocate can work tirelessly to educate others on how to keep their families and communities safe.
Working alongside those who are striving to enslave and injustice, she empowers victims and survivors. I'm going to ask you a question that I can't predict.
Who knows where that's going to go. We are going to explore the depths of the gravity, I believe, that technology is taking us into.
This is not your standard human trafficking. One to be able to additional trastics the please take our online course, team and trafficking essentials.
We start with the basics. get up to more complicated things. There is an interactive journey at the end to really make sure you understand what it is you're talking about because we want to make sure that everyone really truly understands this.
We are not going to jump into anything that would be considered conspiracy theory this evening. These are facts. These are tools that are out that are being used again.
I'm going to go ahead and let Alecia take it over.
@29:06 – Alecia Caudill
No conspiracy theories? Palmer!
@29:09 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
No conspiracy theories. I'm done with all that stuff. We've got everybody scared enough as it is and they don't even understand the reality of trafficking.
Last episode, I have a… So anyone right now that doesn't understand what human trafficking is, go back and watch the last episode.
There's a full hour that will educate you on all of that stuff. Get pause and come back to right now.
Alright, Alecia, what do you got for us today?
@29:35 – Alecia Caudill
So, my… I'm going to take it back to when I first was introduced what's called a people search engine.
If you're not familiar with it, I'm going to go over it with you here in just a minute. My grandfather passed away back when I was like eight or nine years old.
Fast forward until I'm in my late 20s and just so happened I come across the website called Spokio. Spokio.
Alright, are you familiar with that? Yes. Okay, so anyways, they're now sponsored for my program. Thank you very much.
And so I decided just how much does the online world know about us, right? So going back to my grandfather passing away when I was eight or nine years old, we didn't have internet.
Or maybe the government did, but I didn't know anything about it at that age. So I looked him up.
I topped in his name and the state that he lived in. And can you believe it showed me every address that he ever lived at?
SCREEN SHARING: Billy started screen sharing – WATCH
It showed me his name. His kids information. It showed me a lot of his family, his relatives information, his house, how much he made, what his hobbies were.
That just blows my mind at how much information that could be used and taken for, well, it could be used against us, right?
So if he had that much information on him and he'd never been online a day in his life, imagine how much it has on you and me.
@30:55 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I'm running a circle on myself right now.
@30:58 – My Phone 김정란
As you speak.
@30:59 – Alecia Caudill
Mm. I actually have a fair screen. I'm all for it, man. Okay, we can do that. Yeah, Because I have the free version.
me get logged in for just give me just a minute and I will get that taken care of.
@31:17 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
In the early 2000s, I built a Facebook game company. of my employees showed me a program that was out there that basically took all of the I data that was plugged into all of the city and state agencies.
And you could type in someone's name that would tell you where they lived. would tell you what schools their kids went to, what the neighbors' names were.
You could look at, you could drill into almost anything having to do with their lives. I was completely blown away that that was available.
And if you think about it, any time, Alecia, just jump right in.
@31:59 – Alecia Caudill
You need to tell me which one it is. This you. So you can do this five different ways. You can look it up, look up your name and do it.
@32:05 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I'm the 56 year old white guy that lives in Austin or Bell Valley. The phone is 8 8 7 4.
@32:16 – Alecia Caudill
So it's your screen right now so I don't know what you got going on. can't see my screen. I just screen share.
@32:22 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Drag in.
SCREEN SHARING: Alecia started screen sharing – WATCH
@32:24 – Alecia Caudill
Share. Okay. So this is my options and this is what you're going to do is you're going to look yourself up five different ways.
You're going to use your home address, your email address, your name, your phone number. I'll come back to the gamer name, username.
That's what I was listening out on. All right. So looking through the towns or CTV. I'm off the same artist.
All right.
@32:51 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
There we go. I am. And I am 56. So none of those keep going. I've got so much stuff online.
@33:00 – Alecia Caudill
think we looked at.
@33:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I did his.
@33:30 – Alecia Caudill
start out with. Okay, so if I'm a predator and I'm looking for a teenage girl or boy, it's going to make it very easy for me to be able to find you not to mention the fact hey I got the address, I can zoom in, I can look and see what your house looks like and if you got those pretty pink curtains and then we know, guess what?
Chances are I'm going to know where your bedroom is. makes it very easy for me to come across your room.
Or, I mean, we could easily, you know, get into the computer, give you a virus and then I can open up your camera without you ever even knowing.
@34:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
How would somebody do that? I know it's possible, but just out of walking through the process of how someone that has never heard of any of that can imagine that someone could plant something on your device.
@34:14 – Alecia Caudill
Okay, simply by opening up an email or a text message or a message through messenger chat.
@34:20 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
If I went online and I found your kid's name and I found out that your kid had a phone and I texted them and said, hey, click this link for a good time.
They click that link. What happens then? Something gets installed on their phone, right?
@34:35 – Alecia Caudill
Yes, it would be a virus that gets installed on the device and there are so many viruses out there.
@34:41 – My Phone 김정란
can't even begin to tell you the name of each one.
@34:44 – Alecia Caudill
You would get the one that is most suitable for your needs at that point. So if I found a virus online, they're not hard to do.
You can go into the deep web and find all kinds of stuff. I found a virus that I want to use to download in your
@35:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I spent a couple of hours at a conference in Wyoming speaking to a gang investigator and he was explaining to me that the drug cartels actually have access to Pegasus which is some Israeli spyware and it is like some of the most insidious stuff ever because once you've got it on the phone, if your phone has a What is that wireless charging?
I can't remember the exact initials of it but if it has that, if you set your phone next to an external hard drive, it can actually pull the photos off that external hard drive or a computer that has a connection.
If you have it on a laptop and that laptop has never been on the internet, it's been airgapped, the phone can actually pull that stuff off with that spyware.
@35:58 – Alecia Caudill
Android phones is pretty easy to do with.
@36:12 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I also want to make sure to mention that for parents or anyone that's listening to this, thinking for some reason that because we're telling you now that this exists, We're not telling you how to do it.
There's plenty of places that have been telling people how to do this for years. We are telling you that it exists so that you can understand how to be safe and why you need to be safe.
Phones are the least sure thing you can ever imagine. are literally carrying the entire world of predators in your pocket and you're giving it to your child constantly.
Alecia, how do you feel about this? do you think of the concept of what they call sharing thing? Like, John was talking about taking pictures of your kid.
It's like when other people are sharing photos of your kid online, those photos are there forever. They say that people have an online presence within minutes of being born.
Yeah, facial recognition. go for it.
@37:24 – Alecia Caudill
Light some of that on us. Yeah, facial recognition. There's no getting away from it. The FBI uses what's called face plus plus and they can get a picture of a baby.
As long as that baby is now adult, they would be able to tell you who that adult is. mean, it's like it is an amazing technology.
It could be used in really good ways, but it could also be used in some really bad ways as well.
Now, there is another website that I have that I was wanting to show you guys. Let's see. This is O-I-N-S-T.
And me, it actually, well, hold on just a second, I'm froze up here. You can go to these websites, OINST tools, and you can find so much information on ways to be able to find people to locate.
You can find viruses and are informational viruses. Phone numbers, you can do people searches by phone numbers. You can your names, email addresses, and it gives you all these websites listed.
All on one page.
@38:36 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Is that not amazing? It's principally the reason that this exists. What is it that people say? Why does this exist?
This is for investigations? seems pretty… it is for investigations, but people use it for a lot of different reasons.
Is this a police tool? this something that's supposed to be private?
@38:56 – Alecia Caudill
you not supposed to have access to? Or is this something everybody can have access to? Everybody has access to it.
And they do training for you for free. This is just one of the many of these tools too. But when I had originally, it was a simpler platform to use.
I couldn't find it. tried looking for it and I guess they may have took it down. But yeah, I mean, you can look up who owns a domain.
And this information, there's just so much out there that is available and it is for free. If you want to look somebody up, here's the people.
Oh, OSI. We've got PIPL. They've got a lot of information on everybody. And in order for you to be able to get all of your personal data offline, you would have to contact every single one of these search engines.
And there's hundreds of them. And you'd have to do it once a month. And you'd have to find yourself on their website, which some of them it charges.
Find yourself on their website, contact them, send them the link to have it taken down. And then by the time you get it taken down, they've already, the robots have already crawled again and picked it right back up.
This is a problem and they've been doing it since day one since we started using the internet collecting our data and…
@40:11 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
So as a parent, okay, so I'm going to pretend that I'm the parent that's surprised to find out that this exists.
What am I supposed to do with this new information that I have?
@40:24 – Alecia Caudill
There's not a whole lot you can do except for just, hey, look, raise awareness of the kid. This is is what you're getting yourself into.
This is your reputation on the line, but this is also you easily being able to be found by predators out there.
And it does not matter how old you are, it does not matter how big, tall, short, it don't matter.
They will come after you for many different reasons.
@40:47 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
mean, you've got… So you speak to…
@40:49 – Alecia Caudill
You go and you speak to classrooms?
@40:51 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Mm-hmm. What is the general age range and do people of different ages have different reactions to this? What are the parents' reasons?
I tell one story that I have is I was explaining to my kids and their friends how the internet works, I was explaining it like the Pony Express.
So the way that I understand computers work is there is a piece of information. Let's say it is this address right?
So this address I have sent I'm going to text it to you So I text this thing to you and it goes to a little hot where there's a server and the Tony Express Used to be where they would put it into a new a new horse and take it to the next person Well the way if the internet works is you put that address You put your letter inside the little box it makes a copy of it then it advances it forward Makes another copy of it and then it says oh hey delete that old copy because it's not necessary I got it there.
Well the thing is that so what's happening is every time
@42:18 – Alecia Caudill
I use a simpler method of explaining it so that you can understand it as well. You know the difference between owning a home and renting a home, correct?
Yeah, for the most part most of them do and I do every age group. It does not matter if it's a student or a parent or college student.
All ages are welcome. Okay, so basically if I'm renting a home, I do not own that home. Therefore the landlord owns the home and he can come and visit the property anytime he wants to.
Now most don't because of the reasons, but the internet is rented. Okay, we are paying a payment every single month to rent that internet.
And then they kind of get it. So I said, the minute you click on send, that is not your text messaging anymore.
It's just not. And that's how it works. And I tell you, what else?
@43:22 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
You know, what do they do? When the light comes on, how do they react? mean, like, what is their, you know, little book?
You got to see it.
@43:31 – Alecia Caudill
Do they go, Oh, Or I mean, like, their heart starts jumping out of their chest. They start sweating, turning red.
I'm, then my, the next thing I say was like, how many of you do things that your parents don't know or want you to do?
Nobody raises their hand.
@43:44 – My Phone 김정란
Of course not.
@43:45 – Alecia Caudill
You know, I'm like, okay, I tell you what. No, nobody in here, not one. I'll have maybe one person the second time I ask and say, okay, well, you know what, the person who raised their hand, they were being honest with me and I appreciate that.
You do not count on what I'm about to say. Okay. And then I look over the teacher, if they're in the room, I'm like, I have been able to work with your counselor and your teacher, and we've got your parents up here, and I'm going to teach them how to go through your phones.
And, and they get a little scared. And then I give them about 30 seconds to kind of sweat it out.
I'm like, hey, look, I told you in the beginning, I'm not here to get you in trouble. But I need you to understand how serious this is, and I want you to listen up and take me seriously so I can teach you a few things.
I can't come in here and tell you, you can't talk to strangers, you know you're going to do it anyways, we're naturally rebellious.
So if you're going to do it, do it the smart way at least. Look these people up to make sure that they are who they say they are.
It's that simple. When I went through a divorce and I started dating again, I did a background check on the guy that I started dating, of course, I'm married to him now, but when I told him that I was like, hey, look, know, safety first.
I mean, I got to I had two kids at the time. I'm not going to jeopardize, you know, something happening to my kids or me and then be growing up with traumatized because they didn't have their mom.
And sure enough. I took a picture of his glasses and his tag and I take my dad, I was like, dad, sometimes it's me, this is who has me.
@45:07 – My Phone 김정란
It doesn't matter how old you are, you need to be safe. You think about this. Absolutely. Absolutely. I even tell that to young women that are meeting guys online and they'll say, oh my gosh, she's a great guy.
I said, you just met him. He was great in the beginning. But how do you know six months? There was a man that recently killed a woman that he met online because she found out he was married and she was going to go and confront.
And I always tell women, if you find out he's married, don't tell him you found out. Don't tell him you're going to go to his wife and tell everything because now he knows where you live because he brought him over.
knows. And I want to jump in real quick. Billy, I sent you two pictures. I'm emailed Jeff now.
@46:02 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I went and you shared them with Alecia.
@46:05 – My Phone 김정란
There's lot of apps. Yeah, share the pictures with her. went on Tinder and I looked like a little girl.
I used an app called FaceApp. I trap predators that go on these dating sites looking for rocks. And I also go on these kid games.
And people think because it's a kid game, that predators are not on it.
SCREEN SHARING: Billy started screen sharing – WATCH
@46:40 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Did you see it? I got it.
@46:42 – My Phone 김정란
I'm pulling them up real quick. Awesome.
@46:46 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
When you see this picture. Creepy. Okay.
@46:51 – My Phone 김정란
Super creepy.
@46:52 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Right? Yeah.
@46:55 – My Phone 김정란
Now this app is now creating videos. So I can use the same face. That's me. Can you believe that, Alecia?
This is through an app. I can set how old I want to look. Now show her the side by side.
Yep. The one on the left is me and the one on the right is through the app. And I went on Tinder.
I went on dating apps. I even went on Robleblox. And I would get over 4,000 messages from adult men.
And I would tell them, I have a confession to make. I'm not 18. And they're like, how old? And sometimes I'll go younger.
I'll start with 16. And they're like, oh, that's okay. Well, really, I'm not 16. I'm 13. They're like, oh, that's okay too.
HIGHLIGHT: My discusses using a face-changing app to deceive adult men on dating apps. – WATCH
I'm actually 9. And I was not surprised. Because of my own personal experience, but these men, they're like, that's our secret.
I like them younger. These, that's through an app called Face App. They are now recently opened for video chat.
So I can look like the child and chat with a real kid and do a cam conversation. That's why I always tell parents.
Just because your kid is doing FaceTime or any video chatting, that does not mean that person is who they think they are.
Exactly.
@48:40 – Alecia Caudill
on video. Yeah.
@48:43 – My Phone 김정란
There's a new app that about the screen.
@48:46 – Alecia Caudill
There's a new app that came out that the teacher made me aware of yesterday where it's supposed to be an app to where kids can teenagers can share their, um, their class is like their schedule.
And what happened is, is they're not And they're not sitting there. Nobody is watching it. Nobody is administrating it.
So anybody can join in and find out where these kids are at what's home.
@49:09 – My Phone 김정란
Mm-hmm.
@49:12 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
My, well, my daughter explained to me what Chattrie Lette was back in the day. There was an app where you literally just pressed a button and it would randomly put you in front of somebody.
And she actually had to use that with some of her friends and they were young teens doing that. it's like, thankfully she was comfortable enough to tell me about that kind of stuff because I've never heard of anything like it.
And then I found out what people were really using it for. It was messed up. It was, yeah.
@49:46 – My Phone 김정란
I have a, you know, keep this really short. This was in 2002. And that was when, because in 1996, the Internet boom.
The dialect that's when they switched to broadband and DSL. And I remember playing Yahoo! game and I was playing space with a bunch of strangers.
I was in my 20s at the time and I was chatting with this person that I thought was a phenom.
And I used to work at the government center in Minneapolis. And guess what? After three years. The US Marshal contacted me.
They knew my name, they knew my number, they knew my picture. And they said, are you going to work today?
Do you work at the government center? And I said, yeah. Who are you? They said, we're with the US Marshal.
We're going to have to ask you not to come to work. And I said, is something going on? This was in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
And they said, But there is a man all the way out in In North Carolina that has been hacking you, and I didn't know anything about hacking.
This was in 2002 when all of this came down. And they said, have you been talking to this guy?
@51:16 – Alecia Caudill
And I said, no, he does not sound familiar.
@51:19 – My Phone 김정란
So they said an agent is going to come to your apartment. And I said, no, we made up at a coffee shop.
They said, they need to look at your computer and we have a court order. So they went through my computer and everything.
And I did not know that the guy that was hacking me was a girl I was chatting with. I thought I was chatting with.
And here's a crazy part. He was an IT tech in North Carolina in Durham. And so he had way to retrieve all my photos.
I had sexy pics that I felt were cute. You know, back in the day. And I did not know.
not know. I He made a website, remember, Geocities Billy?
@52:03 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Yeah, sure do.
@52:04 – My Phone 김정란
That was like back in ancient early days. But he made a website with my picture on it. My head picture was on a body of a porn woman.
And since this is my fiance, I'm looking for her to help me find her. He was putting out a reward for $10,000.
And he knew exactly where I worked, what my schedule was, when I would be found out what my bus schedule was, where I lived.
And what I didn't realize, when he sent me a gift with this girl, sent me a gift, I didn't realize that the gift that they gave me was actually a…
I've lost you guys.
@52:55 – Alecia Caudill
I lost audio.
@52:58 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I can still hear and see. I'm Alecia. I'll text you. Keep going, John. Okay.
@53:06 – My Phone 김정란
And so she or this person I thought I was talking to, can Alecia hear me?
@53:15 – Alecia Caudill
I got it.
@53:15 – My Phone 김정란
Okay. So the person I thought I was chatting with on my birthday because she knew my birthday or he knew my birthday, they sent me a Visa gift card.
I did not notice that the gift card was actually a secured credit card. So any transaction I made, they knew my routine.
They knew everything. And you know, when you're young, you're like, hey, I get an extra here because she said she was going to help me out because I was a single mom.
I had a little boy at the time. She said, oh, I love your son. Can you send me more pictures?
I'm sending her pictures thinking I'm chatting with a woman. And come to find out. drizzle is to you The reason why the U.S.
came in contact is because he posted online that he was going to blow up the government center. He was going to kidnap me and hide me in his dungeon because he loved Asian women.
And all he had to say was blow up because this was in 2002. We already had 9-11. He was So they're like, bells?
You're not going to work? I was shocked. At first, I was like, no, this is not real. You guys are just…
You guys are just like, give me. This is like, the enemy of the state was working it. I was just trying to scare the there.
Crap out of me. And they're like, is that you? Is that you? I'm like, and I remember throwing up.
was like, Oh my gosh, these were… I took some sexy pics and I sent it to him, not realizing that this girl I was chatting with the whole time she sent me a bug to my computer and that's how she retrieves everything.
@55:24 – Alecia Caudill
That's what they do.
@55:26 – My Phone 김정란
And that was in 2002. Now the internet has advanced. I took parents all the time. Quit pleasing your child and protect them.
@55:42 – Alecia Caudill
Yep.
@55:44 – My Phone 김정란
It's said than done in some situations.
@56:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
How do you not give them that freedom in the beginning and with all of the pressure that everybody has right now to have a phone or be connected and everybody gets addicted to their social media and the likes and all that stuff.
It's like, look, I mean, as a parent, you have to start prevention of this stuff like the moment somebody puts a screen in front of your young instant space.
You slap that thing out of that thing and you do not let that kid play with that.
@56:30 – Alecia Caudill
I'm going to take it away from you. I'm going to put that right now.
@56:38 – My Phone 김정란
This is what I tell. Oh, absolutely. So I treat it like an addiction. So what I did when my son, because he's 23 now, but when my son was 12, I found some porn.
And I actually pulled it up when he came home from school and I said, And then he was like, Mom, I just want to be grounded.
Now come here and let's talk about this. You know anything about STDs you know anything and he was like, after that he's stuck.
But this is what I also did. I also equipped my son. I hadn't take a course called netsmarts.org. It's N-E-T-S-M-A-R-T-Z dot org.
And my son one time he said, Mom, boys don't get abducted. And I said, really? Then do a research and prove me wrong.
So I made him do the research. And because of that, and I tell parents if your kids are already online, then make it an instance of them.
Say if you find something suspicious, I'm going to reward you for letting you know. Do not get angry with them.
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Because what the groomer has already told them is that, So, going to get mad, they don't like our special relationship, you know, because the groomers already know what to say to these kids.
And so, I actually give classes to parents on how to reward their children when a suspicious activity pops up.
And so, that way they get a free movie, you know, that they can download and things like that. Because then it makes them want to do more good and utilize the internet.
And also, they can also be the ongoing voice among their peers. So, I decided to use that differently, that the kids already know.
So, now they already know you can't pull it away. It's like, it's kind of like winning them off.
@58:47 – Alecia Caudill
Well, you know, when my son was, and if he ever watches this, he might be a little upset with me.
But when he was like nine years old, and he comes in and says, mom, my phone's not working. I was like, okay, well, let me see it.
I looked, he had like, I don't know. I was like, how do you even know what incognito mode is?
He was looking up, he was looking up, a girl his age's body looks like.
@59:10 – My Phone 김정란
It's normal to be curious.
@59:13 – Alecia Caudill
But in the meantime, I mean, this is a felony.
@59:18 – My Phone 김정란
know what I'm saying?
@59:19 – Alecia Caudill
Like, I can't get a job over this. No, this is not okay. I took him in the bedroom, like, I said, I need to know the truth.
Of course, he did not it at first. And then I said, Tristan, I said, babe, I'm going to give you one more chance.
Okay.
@59:32 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I said, I'm going be back here in this room.
@59:36 – Alecia Caudill
Same time tomorrow, 24 hours from now, I'm going give you 24 hours to think about what you've done. And then we're going to work on this together.
And sure enough, I did, I stood, I level to him. I wasn't trying to be, you know, monster in his life or anything like that.
I want him to understand where these pictures come from. Do you think that they take pictures of these girls?
Because these girls want them to take pictures of that age? No, it doesn't work that way. And I Playing how a lot of these women are brought in to these videos and for a long time, it worked.
Whenever he was, I think it was in like the eighth grade, he had showed me that there was some kids that was exploiting some girls at school and it actually led to some kids being arrested.
And he was just, wow, he was so proud of himself. I was proud of him. In fact, one of the police, the detectives, he called me, was like, hey, you know, we need to meet up.
So, how did you do it? And I said, well, it's not hard to get somebody's IP address. You know, it's really not.
And you can be found, you can be tracked through a IP address. It's not easy to do. But you know, you give the tools for the right person, the police, for example, give them the IP address and there you go.
mean, the time that it was done, the message was sent or received and there you go. mean, voila, you know, whoever it was that was created in the account.
And sure enough, I think there was like four boys that was arrested. So, I was proud of him. But then again, he's also 17 years old now and I'm not ever going to go through his phone again at this point.
But yeah, parents, you can set up your routers to where you can know every single thing that people that are connected to your Wi-Fi are doing.
And I'm not giving you permission to spy on your spouses. That's not nice. But you know your kids, they're using your Wi-Fi all the time.
that Wi-Fi off and I promise you they're going to come out of their room and they're going be like, yelling at you, we're going to know what's going on.
But then again, you will get charged at that point.
@1:01:35 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
That had to be so scary for him.
@1:01:38 – Alecia Caudill
Do you feel like he learned something? Oh, yes, absolutely. Yes. Because like, it wasn't okay. You know how your your devices, they all connect each other, everything's on the cloud.
Well, about two years later, he come to me and he's, he's really upset and he's handing me his DS.
Okay. He's like, Mom, I'm so sorry. Sorry, I just found it has been missing for a long time and I didn't know it was on here too.
And I'm like, are you talking about? And I looked down and I was like, oh, oh, okay. So I deleted it and he didn't get in trouble.
He come to me and I appreciated that. That he was able to trust me enough to know that he could come to me and that it was going to be okay.
And you know, you've got to have faith in yourself. You've got to have respect for your kids just like you want them to respect you.
And I was so proud at that moment. Like it was like a pat on the back, go mom here for her sister's sake.
@1:02:34 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
No, Cam, good job, mom.
@1:02:37 – My Phone 김정란
Oh, thank you. Absolutely. You know, because I always tell parents, one of the big things why kids don't come to you is that they fear that you're going to be upset.
And no matter how many times they park back to you, one of the biggest fears that they have is they don't want to disappoint you.
so she finds things on the phone and you're like, what the hell?
@1:03:00 – Alecia Caudill
Why?
@1:03:00 – My Phone 김정란
And they're saying, okay, let's sit down. Let's talk about this. Being a calm man and because they also feel your energy.
If your energy is disrupted, they're not going to come to you. And the other thing that people don't realize, groomers.
They have already brainwashed their kid. They've already told them we have a special relationship. So let's say I'm the groomer and Alecia is the little girl.
Hi, how are you doing? I saw that you were upset. You were chatting about your mom giving you chores.
I can relate.
@1:03:37 – Alecia Caudill
Yeah, my mom and my dad are getting on my nerves. They make me do all these tours and it's not even fair.
@1:03:44 – My Phone 김정란
I don't blame you. You know, if you ever need a friend to talk to, I'm always here. Really? By the way, it's your birthday coming up.
I saw it on Facebook or Instagram. She has cash app.
@1:03:59 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Yeah.
@1:04:00 – Alecia Caudill
Yeah, I do.
@1:04:02 – My Phone 김정란
Well, let me gift you something early for your birthday because you've been a good girl.
@1:04:08 – Alecia Caudill
And that's it. That's exactly how it goes. It's hook-on-a-sync and you gain trust. You've got them the goodies and all it takes.
Kids are so easily manipulated and especially pretty money.
@1:04:22 – My Phone 김정란
yeah, everybody wants money, right?
@1:04:24 – Alecia Caudill
I know. I know. There's been so many people that has been in domestic violence relationships. And if you think about it, it's the same exact thing, the methods that spouses use when they are, you know, physical abuse in their spouses.
They're using those same tactics on children.
@1:04:45 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
And if adults fall for it, kids are going to fall for it, you know? Well, it's… That was the thing that when I was really getting to understand all of the aspects of human trafficking as I started, you know, working with…
This is and psychologists and police and everything is learning how trauma bonding has been perfected by these professional predators.
These are techniques. This is not like some random weird behavior. like, no, patterns have been worn into our patterns of everything and they know how this works.
it's like you say, with everything. It's in dysfunctional relationships, domestic violence relationships, inside of families with trafficking. It's because we have psychological blind spots.
We want love and affection. That's what we want. We want attention. We're built that way. And if somebody's giving it to us, we're going to take it.
And it's just, that's how it is. And when I first came to I worked at the Austin State Hospital with patients that were never expected to regain use of society.
Austin State Hospital. And How to make a decision about decision decision decision decision decision to to to make a decision decision decision decision decision about
And that's one of the things that I learned out of this, this whole thing is like we have to be aware that we may be trauma bonded to a situation or watch how our vulnerabilities grow at different times of the month.
@1:07:25 – My Phone 김정란
Like when you become.
@1:07:27 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
But it's when rent is getting due. You start making dough. start me.
@1:07:45 – My Phone 김정란
to to to me. You start me. You start almost moment decorations. I'm going to about yourself this time to learn about you as I want to meet.
What some prevention techniques? One of the things I brought up is finance. When a girl is learning to be financially independent, she is less likely to be targeted because she's earning her own pay.
She is becoming independent and she doesn't need someone else to take care of her. Whereas when you come from a family with an dysfunctional financial background, for example, my dad gambled and so we were always poor and I hated during my pan-say.
I'm sorry, but she afforded. I'm sorry. Every time I made money during the summer, my parents would take it.
So I wouldn't have any money. So I'm like, well, what's the use of working all summer if I don't get to keep it?
And I remember being at 13 and I remember this teacher. I needed And he said, you want to make some money on the side.
I'm like, yeah! And so he would have me start with just little stuff. And then it became sexual. But he made me feel like you're pretty because I had pop out of glasses.
I went to a school where I was called every racist name in the book. Nobody liked me. And so, and also, I hate to say that the teacher was very physically good looking.
So I felt special. Instead of learning about what is healthy and what isn't healthy and also the financial independence.
And my mother used to say to me, you have to rely on a man in order to make it in this world.
And that was my one define. I'm like, no, no. And the one thing I will say when I was traffic, it motivated me.
It became. I went to be my boss, that's why I hated 95 jobs. I went to be an entrepreneur because I wanted to also instill that lesson to young girls.
Because if you listen to hip hop back in the 90s, a lot of the lyrics of hip hop singers, they were talking about being independent, being strong.
They were also fully clothed. Now you're hearing music that says, oh, I don't want no broke ass, blah, blah, unless he's going to pay me.
Well, now we're instigating that lifestyle that a woman needs a man that has money instead of embracing the independence.
And independence doesn't mean you can have all the money and not share, but it just means And that you can be independent and not need any discretion of money.
I hope that makes sense.
@1:11:08 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
It does make sense. know, I was watching a, I was watching kind of a biography the other day of a lady who was describing her situation when she became a victim of trafficking.
And she fell in love with the idea that she was going to be with her pimp, right? So she was, they were in this and he convinced her that it was a business and they were doing it together and she was part of the whole thing.
So she totally bought into that she was being entrepreneurial. So it's like, this guy was taking advantage of the fact that she even had that internal drive, know, to do this.
And so he convinced her that by raising or getting this money together, that was their business together, know, and how she was being entrepreneurial.
So it's crazy how they, you know, will do that. Alecia has a couple of really interesting online tools that she's got up her sleeve and she was showing me one called Stealing Your Feelings.
She sent me a link to it. I came up and I thought I was in a Black Mirror episode.
Then it asked me if it could control my camera. I was like, ahhh, let's see if Alecia has a way to show this without it having to be me showing my camera.
@1:12:29 – My Phone 김정란
What do you think?
@1:12:31 – Alecia Caudill
Okay, so you can feel free to share screen but just know that whatever it says about me may not or may be true.
Okay. I can't you're just gonna- Who knows?
@1:12:46 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Yeah, at this point.
@1:12:48 – Alecia Caudill
Let me get it pulled up real quick. Yeah, I've did this in some of the schools and it has really embarrassed a few people so I have to just make that aware of the audience.
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@1:13:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Okay. I saw that pop up on my screen right there and I was like, I am not watching. You just allowed the camera.
@1:13:10 – Alecia Caudill
So there you go. Yeah, so this is completely safe. This is one of the things that I got from the Marshall.
@1:13:20 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
On the Internet that we're renting, is that what you're telling me?
@1:13:22 – Alecia Caudill
This is totally safe on the Internet. It doesn't keep your information, but it's actually…
@1:13:27 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
You're trying to trick me, aren't you?
@1:13:30 – Alecia Caudill
No, it's just you. Exactly what Snapchat, Facebook, Apple is doing on your phone. Okay, while you're using your phone.
And I'm going to have to stop my camera so it'll work. So give me just a second here. Figure out to do this.
Okay. And see. You might have to refresh the little…
@1:13:52 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Yeah. There. Oh, that's looking scary.
@1:13:58 – My Phone 김정란
Oh!
@1:14:00 – Alecia Caudill
Can you hear it?
@1:14:02 – My Phone 김정란
No, not yet.
@1:14:03 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
You might have to start the share screen with a little button pressed at the bottom. You might have to unshare and then…
Oh, I can hear it.
@1:14:12 – Alecia Caudill
Okay, Facebook, Apple and Google all have in common? Yes, they are all good companies. We're doing the best things.
But there's another fact that's even more exciting. And surprise, we've been watching you back, introducing facial emotion recognition, a new kind of artificial intelligence that decides how you feel just by looking at your face.
It's already in the apps, devices and websites you use every day, including this one you're using right now. And it's so fast and invisible, you don't even notice that it's learning all kinds of interesting things about you.
Like, you clearly prefer men. Like an expert you never asked for that decides what you like, what you want, and most importantly, what you deserve.
And the secret to how it got so smart is that it doesn't even see you as a human being.
Welcome to your new life as an input. A group of numbers destined for machine learning based image processing algorithm.
Motion recognition AI starts by scanning your selfie to find your face. Face detection algorithms learn to find faces by memorizing the patterns of thousands of tiny face pictures.
Most are trained usually with free database of celebrities from the year 2007. Once the AI decides you have a face, it can try to guess the locations of individual parts.
So every time you see this, The AI sees this. These are the shit or landmarks of your face. And if you want to know another fun secret, yours are secretly being recorded all the time.
Why? emotion recognition AI works by recognizing the shapes of common facial expressions. So when you smile, frown, or barely react at all, the AI measures your face and scores your feelings accordingly.
And by analyzing your face as you scroll from content, tech companies can decide your opinions for you about videos, news, or even your friends, all the time, But wait, maybe you're wondering, do tech companies have to keep their decisions about me confidential?
Well, I work. So, have to tell you, the answer is no. carefully design their terms of service to save you the trouble of consenting to any of this.
So, they can generously share all their things about you with advertisers, brands, and curious political groups who would probably like to know, you definitely prefer white people. (NOTE: ALECIA KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS — AND THEIR RESPONSES ARE *NOT* SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE — PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT.)
This is a very fun time. Just imagine the possible possibilities. Dating apps can decide what profiles you see. Social networks can decide what news stories you read and super packs can decide what candidates you prefer, all without the inconvenience of asking your permission or giving you a choice.
Imagine a magical world where apps track your location with your phone's GPS to sell your reactions to the government.
Your employer. And if that just sounds like something from the future, well, don't worry. It isn't. It's actually Snapchat's secret plan to use facial emotion recognition right now.
This patent revealing which was approved by the government in 2018. This is you. And this is where they sell their decisions about you.
These are the other And if you don't use Snapchat, don't worry. Facebook has plans for emotion recognition too. So does Apple, 20th century findor,
Alex Kellogg's pornflakes, your local pizzeria, and the person interviewing you for your next job. Yes, and in the future, well, that part is way over your head.
We decided that by combining all your reactions so far. Because the most exciting part of this amazing new tech is the more it sees your face, the more decisions it can make about your life.
And for such an interesting person like you, who's probably not bored, or possibly mentally ill, and clearly narcissistic, we're sure it's going to work out great.
So next time you open up your favorite app, device, or website and point your camera at your face, say hello to Facial Emotion Recognition AI.
The algorithms can't wait to meet you.
@1:19:57 – My Phone 김정란
Thank you. I'm not surprised, but I know a lot of people will be surprised.
@1:20:06 – Alecia Caudill
I have a lot of things to say about that, that's for sure. Then they're smell dating and then I have a website where you can go to to do a artificial intelligence interview job interview where they're trying to hire you to be a game-kister and it shows you the future of interviews and it's very interesting.
The video that I sent to you on the YouTube link, that is going to lay out everything that we're trying to tell people, but for adults, the data that's being collected and how they are using it in good and bad ways.
From our credit score to where we are are feeding dinner at to what time of the year we take a cruise.
@1:21:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I want to share something with you before we go too far off the beaten path because I want to talk about eye tracking.
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Let me share this real quick. I haven't watched this video so you'll have to excuse me. I don't know exactly what it's going to say but they have since canceled the plans for face and eye tracking.
I'm not trying to say that they're doing that but this is what they were going to do. Age your focus going forward in the future.
Let's go ahead and check it out. Alright, so it says right here the Zuckerberg face and eye tracking a big focus for the next version of Quest.
It says that Zuckerberg did say face and eye tracking face and eye tracking are a big focus moving forward with the Quest.
So they did say there's a whole part of your brain that's just focused on reading facial cues. So when we're designing the next version of Quest or the next VR headset, a big
I'm not going to go too much further into that, but I'm pretty sure you can put the math together, that what we just saw, with face tracking on a phone camera that was not built for it, now you have people that are purpose building devices that can do this, now, like I said, they cancelled the plans for the eye tracking, but I want to share, I want to share this with you, let's see, I gotta remember the name, so we use the Quest 1 and two heads.
We are going to be able to run on Quest 3 with our VR program. But the concern that I always have about this is are we giving people anybody's data.
We are not collecting any data whatsoever. But the Quest itself, if it's connected to your Facebook if it's connected to your Facebook account, when it gets connected to your Facebook account, you know, I apologize.
When it gets connected to your Facebook account, they know everything about you and what you look at on your Facebook timeline, etc.
So I'm trying to find this one post that I wrote on it. Basically, what happened was they decided they're going to change the lowest age for a Quest from 13 to 10 years old.
@1:23:55 – Alecia Caudill
I know it's on the Quest. I use one and there's no way I would like a teen year old.
@1:24:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
No, there's strip clubs on it. I wrote a small opinion piece here, but basically you've got to be kidding me, that they're going to have that in general, right?
But if you combine that with being able to read people's emotions and share that stuff online constantly to manufacturers and advertisers and everything, I mean, like you've got to be kidding me.
I mean, the amount of data that you're, I mean, I'm not talking about the matrix in some psycho way.
It's like, look, they're collecting this data and they know what they're doing with it. A few years ago, and I'll jump off, but this is something I feel very seriously, but this is a huge mistake to let people this young.
if they're collecting and sharing that data, oh my gosh, we can't, I mean, I can't even imagine. But, Yeah, I think I said enough about that.
@1:25:06 – Alecia Caudill
Look, I get on my VR headset and there's little children in those virtual worlds trying to talk to me.
And I'm trying to get away from them because I don't feel comfortable, you know, even having a small conversation because you never know.
I don't feel comfortable with it. I wouldn't want my kids to be talking to another adult without me knowing about it.
@1:25:27 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
My son and I, whenever Fortnite came to like, I just, you're like, I was getting married and just they come but Yahoo!
friends the most. I mean, we have problems, you know, parents, and people in the game industry. I mean, there are serious problems.
You can't even turn that stuff off. I don't even understand how that's legal.
@1:26:14 – Alecia Caudill
Look, I'm telling you, it blows my mind. I was really sick. I was sick with COVID back in 2020, I think it was.
So I couldn't sleep. I was like, you know what? just got this Christmas. I'm going to see what it's all about.
So I put it on. And I learned what was a seven year old boy at two o'clock in the morning on a school night playing the video games.
I was like, he kept annoying me, really. He was getting in front of me. And he was just like, he'd throw a box of popcorn at me.
I'm like, you really don't you have like a band to go to or something? He's like, no. I said, did your parents know you being on here?
And he's like, no, he tells me what time it is where he lives. And he tells me where he lives.
I'm just like, I didn't even ask for this information. you're just volunteering. So you don't have any ideas. Who I am.
That could be very dangerous. Luckily, it was me, you were talking about this, not telling how many other people you were talking to could be creditors, you know.
@1:27:08 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
No children that we were playing with, they would ask, they would say, are you going to try to give me some in-game money?
I need some Fortnite cash. I was just like, you got them kidding me.
@1:27:20 – Alecia Caudill
They're smart.
@1:27:22 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
They play in the game too. They were, man. It was really, it was really unnerving. All right.
@1:27:29 – Alecia Caudill
What else you got for us?
HIGHLIGHT: Alecia discusses the potential dangers of sharing personal information and mentions a software called “apply magic sauce.” – WATCH
Oh, let me think. I think I gave my goods, the best.
@1:27:36 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I was in the game, watch, it was watchdogs.
@1:27:39 – Alecia Caudill
The one where you said you're the psychometrics are the ones that I was really. Yeah. Okay. So I actually did get that from my son for Christmas one year.
Watchdogs. And from what I understand.
@1:27:49 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
What are psychometrics?
@1:27:50 – Alecia Caudill
that. Okay. So the psychometrics, psychodemographics is, it's basically like, everything up. Okay.
@1:27:59 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
You know what? It just be easier for me. I'm do a screen share at this point. Give me just…
please. Yeah, this one is really good.
@1:28:04 – Alecia Caudill
Okay, let's see. It's called Apply Magic Sauce. And you can link, you can go into your Facebook account and you can download your data.
SCREEN SHARING: Alecia started screen sharing – WATCH
And you can plug it into this website's Cambridge University. They have created this really cool software.
@1:28:24 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
It'll be my Facebook data. It'll take my Facebook data into it.
@1:28:30 – Alecia Caudill
I love You want to link the Facebook data into it and you're linked in and any other data. Every single…
You know what? Let me turn my light on so that I don't have a big white blob on my face.
@1:28:40 – My Phone 김정란
Give me just one second.
@1:28:44 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Oh my goodness. This is…
@1:28:52 – Alecia Caudill
Okay, that might be better in your face. So you can download your data in your Facebook site. You want to do your locks, posts and comments only.
You only want to do it for the past six months. If you post all the time on your social media, going to take you forever to download all this information.
You can download it. can upload it onto a ply magic sauce. I don't think I have any of mine on here.
Let me see here. This is a new computer. If you don't feel safe to download your data and plug it in, you're going to go down here to open text.
You're going to top in a paragraph by yourself. Don't even give it your personal information, private information. Don't tell what age you are or anything.
you. So I am show with a man who believes in preventing human. All right, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
typically you want to do five or six sentences.
@1:30:31 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Now, whenever the center that you have a couple of typos in there, did you do that?
@1:30:34 – Alecia Caudill
Okay, it does not matter. You don't want it to look perfect. You want it to just if it's a topo topo.
@1:30:39 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
That's what I thought.
@1:30:40 – Alecia Caudill
When my students do this, their age is predicted and it is on point. Now, keep in mind, that's just two sentences I put.
If you're going to do your data, it's going to be much, much, much more accurate for you. All right, show me my results.
Based off the two sentences that I wrote, it's going to guess my age as 18. I appear to be mad.
I'm you to ask ask me. Like said, Facebook, plugin, is going to be very accurate. Liberal and artistic, that's not me really.
I'm artistic, I'm more on the conservative side. Impulse and spontaneous versus organizing hard work. Just about what you know about me, Billy, what would you say that would be more accurate or no?
@1:31:23 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I don't know if those things are like one way or the other. Are you seem very hard working to me and organized?
Everything I've seen. You know, so, but you say what's on your mind. I don't really see how to fly that one.
@1:31:38 – Alecia Caudill
So, contemplative versus engaged out of the world. I would say this is a lot more accurate than the other two.
And that's because news, there's so much bad and you never know what you can believe and what you can't.
@1:31:51 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
So, what's the propaganda?
@1:31:54 – Alecia Caudill
always something like, I mean, aliens and all. mean, come on.
@1:31:57 – My Phone 김정란
So, anyway, competitive versus team.
@1:32:00 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
And you're going be trying to see what? Anything to keep us mad at each other instead of looking around and seeing what kind of condition we're under.
@1:32:07 – My Phone 김정란
Yeah, yeah.
@1:32:08 – Alecia Caudill
So you go down a little bit and like I said, you plug in with your dad. This is going to be a lot more accurate and it's very interesting how much it can predict about you just by your likes and your comments and your post on Facebook.
All right, so.
@1:32:24 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
So can I just ask this? Let me, let me throw this one out here. You know, we were talking about like, if you're in a domestic violent situation or an abusive situation or you're in a trafficking situation and people are using your, you know, this psychological stuff against you.
mean, what I see here is they are looking for weaknesses.
@1:32:42 – Alecia Caudill
They can exploit.
@1:32:43 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Oh, yeah, definitely. call it being a sales person too, you know. So if they're like, well, this person, their dishwasher is broken.
So they have a weakness for that. And so I want to try to sell on the dishwasher. know, maybe you can see that as a good thing.
But basically, they're looking for a weakness. A problem.
@1:33:00 – Alecia Caudill
They have got research, so much research done, that there was a website. They've actually taken it down since the last time I looked for it.
It was basically if you were selling somebody a TV, depending on what they're wearing, what they're driving. It would depend on the very first thing that you would say to them.
So if I'm driving a flashy car that's brand new and I've got my suit tailored to me and you know you can tell I got money, then what you're going to say to me when I walk in is you're going to say I've got this TV.
It is one of a kind, it's brand new, nobody, not hardly anybody has it, but it's a little bit pricey, but it's got every single feature on it that you could possibly imagine.
But now if I walk in and I've got like a middle class top car and normal you know clothes that we typically wear, what color wear, my family's with me.
You're going to want a family television, right? And the same thing goes with car. Let me see if I can.
The website used to be the Big Five from Visual DNA and that told you exactly how to pitch a cell and you would win it every single time and it worked.
@1:34:16 – My Phone 김정란
You know, it's interesting that all of this is happening. One of the things that I want to share real quick, when I was traffic, I had to rank up as a madam.
It was the only way to get out. So basically, what a madam is, is basically, I don't know if you heard a bottom girl in the pooping world, where the girl becomes the lead and she works alongside with the trash girl or the pig.
And so I remember by trafficer, he was taking me for training. This was back in 1995. And he said, the first day of training is how to
You observe body language. And I was 19, 20 years old. All I thought about is if a guy has a three-piece suit, I know I want to take him.
this is interesting because I remember we went to Bank of America. This was in Las Vegas. And he had me sit in the lobby watching him.
But he was wearing a Roman collar. He was pretending to be a Catholic priest. And I didn't understand this at first.
And so he said, lunch hour at a bank, you want to see who is fidgeting. And I didn't get it at the time.
So we saw this middle-aged woman. She had a little bob, short hair. And she had a flat. And she kept tapping her shoes, looking at the line.
And she liked it.
@1:36:00 – Alecia Caudill
Looking at the clock, looking at her watch, and she's very antsy.
@1:36:04 – My Phone 김정란
And he said, why would they keep antsy? I was like, because she only has so much time to do whatever she needs.
And he said, yes, but why is she at a bank? So she's got financial issues. She's trying to meet the deadline of whatever it may be.
Maybe talking to the bank about whatever financial issue. And he said, we need her. And I was like, okay, I didn't get it at the time.
So he bucked in terror purposely, but made it look like an accident. And so all her papers fell everywhere.
She's getting upset. But when she saw the room of college, she was like, I'm sorry, Father, but I'm in a hurry.
And he said, how can I help? What's going on? And she said, my rent is due. And I'm trying to pay half of it right now.
So I don't get evicted. So he pulls out. He shakes his hand and puts a business card in the envelope.
So he summons me, we go back and sit in a car and guess what? She didn't go to the teller to deposit that money.
She looked around, made sure that he left and guess where she went to the slot machine. And she blew that.
And whole 10,000. He said, guess what? She's going to call back. She's going to want more. And I was like, how did you know?
He said, just watch. Everything he predicted. It happened. She called and left in 24 hours. She gave, said, Bullshit Story.
Her dogs ate the envelope. She didn't know what it was. He said, no worries. Let me help you. And she said, let me at least cook you some dinner.
He had to be where a nun. He was wearing the Catholic crease clothes. We were carrying Bibles up to her apartment.
Before we went in her apartment, he said to me, he's an eye-blessing, she's not married. She's either in her late 40s, early 50s.
He probably has two ankle biters, getting little dogs, and she's a hoarder. When we walked into her apartment, everything was legit.
She had two ankle biters, who was never married, and she was a hoarder. So he gave her $20,000 extra dollars.
Now that she invited us into her home, thinking we were safe people, so when he went to the restroom, he took pictures of all the medications he had.
Even the RX number, he even called the pharmacy to learn more about her. He even had friends that were in the pharmaceuticals that would give him every background about her.
And he learned that she worked for an oncology only part-time because she can't afford to lose her social security.
if you bake a certain amount, your social security gets taken away. Then he called up his friend at the US department, wrote a phony IRS letter saying they knew she got cash.
So now she has to pay large tax or she's going to She be charged as a film. She panicked, contacted him again, and he said, this is what I want you to do.
I would like you to go to the records department at the hospital in New York and give me all the approaches to the number of children that are considered Jane Doe and John Doe.
He said, don't make copies, don't make a paper trail. Just write it on the notebook paper. I just needed social security.
That's it. I don't want to know what their names are, anything else. She gave it to us. She gave us a gold list on the spiral notebook.
He said, bring the spiral notebook. And then he said, by the way, everything's already paid off. The IRS is not going to bother you.
And guess what he did with that number? He contacted someone he knew that can make drivers license. So we got copies of all the birth certificate and death certificate to match.
And then we gave it to us girls that were trafficked. He taught me all of that. And ever since then, every time I meet people, I am jaded.
I'm wondering why do you need my social security number? Why do you need this? Why do you need that?
And so even when I'm applying for jobs, I'll ask them, why do you need my social security number? Well, we need to do a bathroom check.
Well, then send me the form. I'll send send it. I'll do it right then and there, but I'm not going to send you my social security number.
@1:41:04 – Alecia Caudill
Yeah. Wow, criminals, they're masterminds.
@1:41:09 – My Phone 김정란
They really are.
@1:41:10 – Alecia Caudill
I had a… I went to do a session on Internet safety, was pardoned in parole a few weeks ago.
the things they taught me, I thought I was going to teach them stuff. No, they didn't trust me enough to do anything I had to do.
In fact, they, they turned the class over, took it over and they taught me how it comes and stuff.
I was like, on Telegram, there is groups where you can do local, click on your local groups and you will see people being trafficked on there.
And it's sad. There was somebody had taken over a local chiropractor business using his business name to traffic people locally.
And I seen it. I went to the chiropractor office. I'm like, look, this is what's going on. They're using your business name.
You need to do something about it. Well, I still, you know, we've got a detective. I gave him a detective's name.
was like, go to see him. He's helped me out a lot and he did and the detective called me and said, hey, you know, once you give me some information about this point, these are the people too, okay?
I'm sorry. You know, we talked about it and I don't know what come of it, but wasn't much later than that.
I was scammed big time. They depleted my crypto and my crypto account is connected to my bank account and this was just a few weeks ago actually.
I mean, I'm still mad about it, but I'm at the police department. I'm like, look, is there anything you can do to help me?
He's like, if it was on Telegram, there's nothing you can do. It's completely encrypted and I was like, okay, I just lost some savings.
@1:42:38 – My Phone 김정란
HIGHLIGHT: Alecia was scammed and lost her crypto savings, but is creating a film about human trafficking. – WATCH
Thanks for nothing. Yep. Oh, that reminds me. I want to share this with you real quick. I am creating a film called Every Forty Seconds.
It's actually about a female survivor that worked with ICE, but she also has a crew because they're all criminals, but they…
They're just against human trafficking. This is actually inspired by my real lived experience when I did work with the FBI because I had friends that were still criminals.
So I told ICE if you want me to help you, I need my crew to help me to find your traffickers for you because we don't have to find the mess.
Because I had a friend that was in arms train and another friend that was real good at IT. And so I would love to have you in contact with And consultants for my film.
It is fictional, but it's inspired by real events.
@1:43:37 – Alecia Caudill
Awesome. That would be awesome. Absolutely.
Yeah.
@1:43:43 – My Phone 김정란
Awesome.
@1:43:44 – Alecia Caudill
I'm excited. Networking is great. And I always enjoy people when I get to meet them and especially in Islam because I believe in it.
you know, I had so much crap happen to me when I was a kid. And I didn't have. I didn't really have.
I can't see these kids out here and I know that there's something going on. can tell it by their facial expressions or getting in trouble all the time and I want to help them so bad and I want them to know that they could trust me.
But when you let down so much by the adults listening to your life, it's hard to gain a kids trust.
It is heartbreaking. Excuse me, I'm sorry.
@1:44:26 – My Phone 김정란
I love that. Is her email attached to the email that you sent this morning, Billy?
@1:44:36 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Yes, ma'am.
@1:44:37 – My Phone 김정란
You guys are all all together. Yay! Because we can teach it right. I can teach how to think like a criminal.
@1:44:48 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Yeah, Pisha, Chong was telling me last night about some of the people that are attached to her film and I don't want to give any secrets away.
I'm telling you, if we get a chance to work with them and teach them what we know, they are going to bring it on the set of these shows.
They need to understand this. We need to make sure that the people that are playing these parts are thinking about it on their own, like all the time, and the quality and caliber of actors that I've seen when she has lined up are impressive.
I don't know if you can tell anybody, you are being recorded, Chong, if you want to talk about them, we can hold them out from time.
@1:45:41 – My Phone 김정란
One of them is still pending, but I can't say that Stephen Bauer, who was in Scarface, he was also in Breaking Bad, he played Don Eladio, and he was also in Queen of the South.
He is going to actually play the lead ice agent for The task force in my film, he is so passionate about bringing awareness.
And one of the things that I told Holly when when I first pitched it to them, they said to me, they said nobody wants to watch this.
SCREEN SHARING: Billy started screen sharing – WATCH
And I said, bullshit. They want to see it. And I'm also having Nikki Dixon. She's going to be our lead.
And she's playing the survivor. The other thing when you were talking about the psychometrics and also that link, I'm curious because I actually have multiple personalities because it's like trauma.
And so I had a little chong. She's three because I was right that three. So I never grew up.
So there's a part of me that loves kitty stuff. And then I had the advocate, the Kim part of me.
She's the one that I used to work as a legal advocate. I can't, so I know how to argue in court about how to defend victims of human trafficking.
And then the Jules part of me is the warrior. I call her my warrior girl. He's very defiant. He doesn't like roles.
Have you ever heard of the comedy Golden Girls?
@1:47:22 – Alecia Caudill
Oh, yes.
@1:47:23 – My Phone 김정란
Oh, yes. So Jules is like the younger version of the C.N. He does not settle. She'll be like, oh, she has a how long you're just trying to be a slut and not want to admit it.
It's okay. You know, that's how Jules is. And so with the film, it's actually about a female survivor who has an alter ego.
And so when she gets triggered, her alter ego takes over. And she meets a buyer for children. And he looks at her and he said, oh, I knew you were cops.
said, no, you're going to wish I was a cop. And then she calms them. And so I think it's great to have the female lead, but one of the things I told all the female on this film, we're not going to do any male bashing, because I'm not at that side.
We still are going to show healthy women empowerment, but not to where we are sloshing good men, because I would not be where I'm at if it hadn't been for actually healthy good men that helped me, that gave me food, that gave me a place to stay, and just like none of them ever wanted anything sexual.
And I thought they were all gay. He's like, what's wrong with you? don't want me to do this? And they're like, no, no, we don't want that.
I'm like, are you gay? And they're like, what? You know, because that was foreign to me. I was so surrounded by
I was like, oh, I'm always hungry. So I'm like, challenging the hamburger and drinking very way to make. But because he asked me one time, he said, have you ever said no to a man?
And I was like, no? And he was like, why not? And I was like, then I realized, I don't know.
And he said, it's okay to say no. Make them earn you. And I was like, oh, they are in their body.
And he was like, no, that's I kind of earned. So, you know, I share with people that when I first came out of trucking, I didn't know anything.
I didn't It's like starting all over, you know? And I don't know how to do that.
@1:50:06 – Alecia Caudill
I can't imagine the things that you went through and it just blows my mind that you are, you've went this far and that just goes to show proof that people that have been through bad situations can make it and they can overcome it.
@1:50:18 – My Phone 김정란
It's still going to have problems.
@1:50:20 – Alecia Caudill
You know, you got to support a group support and then as long as you have that, you do, obviously, go you.
@1:50:29 – My Phone 김정란
know. And the other thing that I would tell people is you have to want it. You have to want that healing and I have been clean for over 22 years of cocaine, meth, and crack cocaine and these were injected in my arm by the chapters.
I'll send you guys the link for Eden so you can see the movie that was based on my life story.
But I'll tell you the criminal. Billy was more accurate than the backstory, but the trafficking portion was real because there were so many political corruption.
And so I tell people, you know, I'm nonpartisan because both sides of the bird, the wing are always corrupt.
But I tell people, look at what is healthy and what is it healthy. then ask your representative that you're voting for.
Talk about trafficking. to the rallies and what are you doing about trafficking in our state or in our country and hold them accountable.
And if they're not doing anything within six months to a year, veto to impeach them. Because we need serious leaders that care about these kids.
And I will tell people that's how you put your vote and make it count.
@1:51:55 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Absolutely. It's an that everybody ought to be able to understand and get behind.
@1:52:00 – My Phone 김정란
know, it's like…
@1:52:12 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
I had a moment at a conference when I was speaking to a gang investigator and basically it's like almost everything having to do with the drug trade at some point is labor trafficking.
There are people that are putting things up. know, And it's like the entirety of how that spreads and it brings more people into it and the way that the money gets made.
It's like it's an infection and we have to find ways to make all this stuff go away. But we have to get people to understand that this is insidious and it's almost all of our products, all of our food.
@1:52:58 – My Phone 김정란
You know, it's unbelievable.
@1:52:58 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
And we believe how much. Thank you I'm going to have to write a book called Everything is Trafficking. When we're on a worldwide race to the bottom to have the least expensive products, all that is is just grasping for people that are going to be in poverty at the end of those tentacles.
That's what we see constantly. That's where world is built in. We have to get people to wake up and realize that's really what's happening.
Of course, it's worldwide, but it scares people. That's one of the things that's been so surprising to me as a proponent of trying to educate people about this and try to eliminate trafficking through prevention is how difficult it is to get people to even acknowledge that this is real.
It's affecting people and to try to get them to even want to take a course on this. It's been more
I would have ever imagined. My friends told me it was radioactive topic when I got started. yeah, it's unbelievable how we all have to keep fooling ourselves and pretending that this isn't here.
@1:54:16 – My Phone 김정란
When there's cobalt in every rechargeable battery.
@1:54:21 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
What else is there to say? Look online, cobalt red.
@1:54:27 – My Phone 김정란
Look it up.
@1:54:28 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
These children are radioactive cobalt that they're digging up with their hands. Sorry guys, that's just the way it is.
@1:54:37 – Alecia Caudill
We've got to wake up and realize that everything is broken.
@1:54:40 – My Phone 김정란
Absolutely. There is a website that I always introduce people to first before we have our next conversation about human trafficking.
It's called My Slavery Footprint.org.
SCREEN SHARING: Billy started screen sharing – WATCH
And when you, it's My Slavery Footprint. And when I share this with parents and family, it's amazing. It's called Made By Survivors.
HIGHLIGHT: The conversation discusses cobalt in batteries, human trafficking, and a movie name. – WATCH
It's a quiz. And when you take it, it'll say, this many slaves work for your clothing, your food, your coffee, your peanut butter.
And they give you at the end, they say, you want to fight this and make it fair trade? they'll give you a letter to copy and paste to send to companies like Walmart, Target, all of them and say, hey, quit partnering with companies that allow labor trafficking.
@1:55:55 – Alecia Caudill
It's phenomenal.
@1:55:56 – My Phone 김정란
Wow.
@1:55:57 – Alecia Caudill
And what was the name of the movie that You said it was based off your laugh, how can I see that?
@1:56:03 – My Phone 김정란
Oh, I'm going to send a link. Okay. It's called Eden. It's on Amazon Prime with Bo Bridges. He plays a trafficker and Jamie Chiang played me.
@1:56:15 – Alecia Caudill
Awesome. I'm going to watch it.
@1:56:18 – My Phone 김정란
Yes. But yeah, do the quiz. Let me know how many planes you found and how we can eradicate this.
I would tell people, please do this quiz. Before you ask, what is human trafficking and how it's connected to us?
@1:56:35 – Alecia Caudill
I'll do that. Thank you for that.
@1:56:38 – My Phone 김정란
It's been phenomenal. I appreciate it. You're welcome.
@1:56:45 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
Yeah, I will get this done. Hey, so guys, I think it probably is a good time to sign out.
It's been an hour and half. I really appreciate it. all spending all this time with me and with everybody out here.
I had a couple of things that I wanted to want to play. I'm out with this. There was a couple of videos that I wanted to share with some people before we sign off.
SCREEN SHARING: Billy started screen sharing – WATCH
@1:57:11 – My Phone 김정란
We got… You should do a part two!
@1:57:14 – Billy Joe Cain @ PBJLearning.com (pbjlearning.com)
You rolled me a part two. Let me share this because this is how I feel about people like you guys.
This is my ode to the abolitionists. Here's to the fearless advocate who dare to be different. The relentless fighters.
champions against you in the trafficking. The unsightly heroes and the shadows. They are the ones who perceive the world through a different lens.
They reject the confines of societal norms and regulations. challenge the status quo without a wavering determination. The voices may be quoted, opinions disputed, and their character both praised and criticized.
But one thing is certain, they cannot be overlooked. Their cattle is for change. I interview solutions, they envision a world free for the clutches of human trafficking.
They mend broken lives. They embark on perilous journeys to rescue the vulnerable. They innovate, they inspire, they propel humanity forward.
Perhaps it takes a touch of madness. How else can one look at a victim and envision the liberation or listen to the silence of suffering and compose an anthem of hope or gaze upon a dark wonder world and see a battleground for justice?
We stand beside these exceptional individuals. While Sunday deemed them as eccentric ones, we recognize their brilliance because those who possess the audacity to believe they can end human trafficking are the ones who ultimately achieve it.
Thank you so much for watching.
@1:59:00 – My Phone 김정란
This up and send y'all links to everything soon.
@1:59:03 – Alecia Caudill
We'll do another one soon.