“One Nation Under Blackmail” author Whitney Webb Interview

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first up today um is our we have special guest Whitney Webb she is a writer researcher
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investigative journalist and an expert on the Jeffrey Epstein case her new book about Epstein
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uh case is called One Nation Under blackmail there there's the first one there's volume two one nation under
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blackmail that's where she focuses on Whitten on Jeffrey Epstein she's also writes for a number of different
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Publications but you can catch her at her own site unlimitedhangout.com please welcome Whitney Webb hi Whitney
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hey great to be here thanks for having me back on so I'm reading the now
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unfortunately I didn't get an advanced copy of the book so I'm gonna be just like anybody else in the audience
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tonight like hey don't ask questions and uh but uh the description of the book is
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something I want to read it for people it says one nation under blackmail is a damning indictment of the consequences
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resulting from the nearly century-old relationship between both U.S and
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Israeli intelligence and the organized crime Network known as the national
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crime syndicate can you is that real that's there's a thing called the national crime
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syndicate it's you this seems like a cartoon yeah well no it is real so it was a
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decentralized network of um different organized crime groups operating in the
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United States um in the early 20th century so historically organized crime in the U.S
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most people are probably familiar with it because of Hollywood and whatnot uh tend to sort of be an ethnic Enclave so
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you'd have Irish organized crime the Jewish mob the Italian mafia and so on
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so the national crime syndicate uh sort of broke down those silos and brought
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these different groups together and so that made them a lot more successful uh but that was their name the national
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crime syndicate yes yes and they didn't have any qualms but so is it this is in
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documents that they were referred to as this yeah yeah it's it's definitely not something I made up that's uh that's for
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sure so it this was basically an outgrowth of something called Murder Inc and some other things
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um that um the main people behind it were mayor Lansky I guess representing the Jewish mob there and then Lucky
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Luciano of the Italian mafia and so they basically came together and in World War
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II they formally teamed up with the Office of Naval intelligence and the office of strategic services or the OSS
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OSS which is the precursor to the CIA and this was justified as a necessary
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because it was the war right so a wartime necessity justification but then the war ends and then you know the
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intelligence apparatus of the US and these mob guys realize they have a lot in common and they work really well
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together and so that's why in the 60s in the 50s you see a lot of um you know a
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lot of the people involved in assassination stuff for the CIA after it was made you see a lot of mob guys
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around for example and there's a lot of other examples of them you know interacting on and off
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um you know over the years that maybe more people are familiar with but you know a lot of this uh involved like the
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realm of um Shadow banking Finance Finance it expanded into the world of corporate
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power as well and just and ended up just really becoming out of control and also
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um you have like you mentioned earlier Israeli intelligence sort of get involved in this developing power Nexus
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as well because the Jewish mob side of the national crime syndicate was heavily involved in the arming of the hagana
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um and the precursor to the IDF and all of this so basically by the time the state of Israel is created these
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alliances are you know a part of its National Security State from the off
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so you you've documented literally the organized crime from World
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War II era coming together with our government yeah
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working working together now and and and and to to coordinate all the
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them together all the different crime families there was a thing called the
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national crime syndicate that yeah but they fought yeah but they fought with each other like there was factionalism
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and so like some of these guys teamed up to take out their call competition consolidate power so I wouldn't say that
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this group right is the same they were back in the 30s and 20s I mean a lot has happened over time but um I think I make
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a really good case in the book that this is where a lot of it uh started or you could maybe argue what happened before
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um specifically in New York City because you had the Democratic party um specifically in New York City become
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very much entwined with organized crime this happened in the early 20th century as well with Tammany Hall which was very
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much involved with the power uh apparatus of New York but they ended up taking over the organized crime ended
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up taking over the leadership of a lot of unions and uh later voting precincts among other things which allowed them to
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consolidate a lot of power in New York uh specifically in the Democratic party at first and of course you know later
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the Republicans as well but it uh that's part of what the uh what led to
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operation underworld as it's called the formal team up between the mob and the the Navy Naval intelligence and the CIA
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precursor there's a name for it it's called The collaboration underworld it's a real thing you can look it up the uh
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the US government waited 60 years to admit it was real but they had to eventually and what did they do so and
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what was Operation underworld that's where uh the Office of Naval intelligence and the precursor to the
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CIA the office of strategic Services teamed up with organized crime and what and what specifically
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did what was this what was the service that organized crime could provide that the government couldn't do for
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themselves yeah so what I mentioned earlier about the mob mob unions what they
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Union was controlled by the mob oh so yeah so that's sort of how it started
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but it so that there was like a lot so getting getting info on the unions is kind of that their way to push back
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against the commies right well a lot of well this is back in World War II right so it's all about that it
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was about German saboteurs it was about the Nazis but then you see over time that a lot of the same type of behavior
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um is you know all sorts of things including working with organized crime or drug cartels or what have you in the
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in the decades later you know like in the 80s for example it's all justified by anti-quote unquote anti-com communism
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and stuff like that and so why so I really appreciate you you reporting on
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this why why is no one else seem seemingly I haven't heard anything about this until uh people told me about your
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book so why why is no one else seeing it or are other people re reporting this
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well I think it's been written on before but I don't think it's it's been uh the
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story's been told the same way I'm I guess I sort of strung it together I'm sort of giving you 100 Year history I
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think there are people that have written about operation underworld specifically uh but not necessarily like recently you
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know because it was something that was uh they let be known maybe like 20 years ago or something and so they're still
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not letting us know about the Kennedy assassination so you can't actually you know but what
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did you did you uncover anything that would lead to any knowledge about that and the cia's involvement because I had
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Raymond governor and Ray McGovern on Wednesday and he said that there definitely was
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so from what I understand there have been some uh successful efforts to get new information out from the documents
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they've been trying not to release that more or less are being described as smoking good evidence that Lee Harvey
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Oswald had a established relationship with the CIA um so I didn't really deal with the
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Kennedy assassination directly in the book because then it would have been like three books because there's people
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that have written entire books right about the Kennedy assassination so I um I I talked about some things I talked
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about perm index for example which is a sort of a suspect company that a lot of
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people that have investigated the Kennedy assassination over the years have pointed to in their uh connections
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to this particular Network that I'm I'm writing about in the book and um I also write about an effort um to sexually
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blackmail uh John F Kennedy after he was elected in the time he was uh
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president-elect and before inauguration and that same sexual blackmail uh at
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work it was British intelligence well British intelligence and British organized crime they had previously
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taken down the government in the UK and what is known as the profumo affair
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and one of the same women that was used in that network was taken overseas to
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New York um allegedly slept with Kennedy and uh
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then somehow the CIA allegedly helped her Escape back to the UK the FBI arrested her and her apparent Handler
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had her Client List sound familiar but instead of releasing The Client List
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they destroyed it it doesn't sound familiar I didn't know about this I've never heard about that
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so the so you so the intelligence tried to set a trap so it sounds like
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so we're gonna connect this together because the second part of your book is about Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epson obviously had connections to the CIA and
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the intelligence community so it seems like they would set up they would try to get this blackmail stuff on powerful
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people and then they could get them to do their biddings but so did it but did it work with Kennedy it seems like it
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didn't work no it didn't really work there because it was exposed to an extent the operation and traced back the
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British intelligence so there was a very sloppy cover-up uh where uh Mariella
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Novotny who was the name of the girl was a rest you know how she was allowed to flee the country with the apparent help
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of U.S intelligence because at that time there was a very uh cozy relationship I
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guess you could say and there arguably still is between us and British intelligence right yeah and so she was
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allowed sort of to to get out unscathed um so but yeah a sexual one of the
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things that really surprised me when writing this book is uh how sexual blackmail pops up over and over again in
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various uh big events and Scandals and U.S history and so part of what I'm trying to to show and a big reason why
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it wrote volume one is to really uh break apart the mainstream media
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narrative that Jeffrey Epstein was an anomaly that his behavior uh was
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exclusive to him and now he's dead so none of this stuff ever it doesn't matter anymore this is a type of
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activity that has been done over and over and over again in in our political system and it was uh
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you know a political it was a move uh and it's a type of operation really that was um perfected first uh by the mob so
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you know this is something that's really born out of in my opinion this organized crime intelligence uh Team op and now
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um you know it's just been going on for an excessive amount of time at this point
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so here well let me give this to you as a jumping off point that this is a more from the
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description of the book it says this book specifically explores how the Nexus between intelligence and organized crime
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directly developed the sexual blackmail tactics and networks that would later enable the sexual blackmail operation
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and other crimes of deceased pedophile and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein
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uh other books on Jeffrey Epstein focus on the depraved nature of his
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crimes or his wealth and his most famous politically connected friends and acquaintances but this book in contrast
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reveals the extent to which Epstein's activities were state sponsored through
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an exploration of his intelligence connection so tell me about
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so when the pizzagate thing happened right when when Pizza gate broke that story they
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I I was I didn't pay much attention to it but what did catch my eye was what I
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thought was an overreaction to a bunch of people online saying that there was a
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sexual pedophile ring in Washington DC and I'm like well first of all that sounds completely reasonable uh to
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assume that there's a pet of sex pedophile ring servicing powerful people in Washington DC that's not crazy to
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think that that could happen and then uh
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uh no I just lost my chain of time so uh that they overreacted to that like
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any just like Seth Rich if you even mentioned it you were a banished from society you couldn't ask questions about
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it you couldn't cover it you couldn't do anything and I was just like what is going on why are they overreacting to
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this pizzagate thing so much why why do they have to why is that and then
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you find out it's because there actually is a pedophile ring happening and it's sponsored by the intelligence community
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and it involves a bunch of really powerful people like part of the royal family and Bill Clinton and people and
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Hollywood stars and people like that go to Jeffrey Epstein's Island and have sex with kids and this we know this for a
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fact and there's a flight log and so I guess that was you know just like with
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the when the Wuhan virus we people were speculating that kovid started from a virus that was engineered in a lab in
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Wuhan China and they immediately have to overreact to that and say you're a racist if you think that right so that
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was ooh that's again your flat my detector went off you guys are overreacting too hard to that and
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um so can you so this is just so what you are saying is that Jeffrey Epstein isn't a one-off
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this isn't some anomaly inside of our culture this is a regular classic CIA
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psyop or it's classic CIA program to do this this is how they get powerful
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people under the cia's control to do their bidding this is probably why Donald Trump didn't release those JFK
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files on his way out the door because the CIA didn't want him to do it and they probably have uh blackmail material
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on him and they tried to Blackmail a million different ways one way was Russia gate another way was uh the P
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tape another way was with his impeachment they blackmailed him saying we're gonna we're gonna have the Senate
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go along with the impeachment if you do that so anyway I'm this is a very long question so take it wherever you want
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okay so there's a lot of different places to go uh so I guess first off yes this is something that's been going on a
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very long time in fact the longtime director of the FBI J Edgar Hoover who
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was in charge of that Agency for decades and decades and decades the top law enforcement official in the U.S he was
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sexually blackmailed by the mob in the 30s and he didn't even go after organized crime at all because of that
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and that's a matter of reference he denied it ever happened and the sexual
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blackmail operation that entrapped him also intimately involved a man named Roy Cohn who was best known as Donald
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Trump's mentor and the two of them along with the mob linked businessman named Louis Rosensteel were seen engaging in
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sexual blackmail operations themselves but again Hoover and Cohn only joined that after they themselves had been
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entrapped yeah um and this involved miners oh so this
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is something that's been going yeah this is something that's been going on a really long time in addition to that
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you're saying JF J Edgar Hoover was entrapped sexually with a minor by the
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mob by the mafia well so at first the he was involved in this sexual Opera uh
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blackmail operation after he was blackmailed by the mob that involved children but he was initially
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blackmailed because he was a photo of him was taken having giving oral sex to
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his longtime Deputy Clyde Tolson uh and that was taken by Affiliates of Mayor Lansky of the Jewish mob and later those
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fell into the hands of James Jesus Angleton the first counterintelligence Chief of the CIA so that's another
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example of how the mob and the CIA like to share intelligence right and how the
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CIA can justify almost anything right in the name of gathering intelligence I think actually in the UK they have they
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passed a law recently where intelligence agents or assets can even commit murder or any sort of crime as long as they
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justify it as intelligence gathering activity so um you know this is something that that
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gets brushed under the rug because there's no accountability for U.S intelligence services at all and in
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addition to that I mean you have things like the um the page boy scandal in 1982 that was brushed under the rug where uh
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congressmen were were caught basically engaging in sex with uh Congressional Pages who were underage really I forgot
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I I had for this it was in 1982 yep and then you have the Franklin Scandal um
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the expert on that is Nick Bryant who if you want to learn more about that I would would encourage you to have him on your show what is it um but that was
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basically about Republican it was a lobbyist that was running it uh in
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Washington named Craig Spence nominally a lobbyist who claimed to have uh have
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CIA connections his partner was a guy named Larry King a base in Nebraska Larry King would get kids from Nebraska
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fly them out to DC um and they would uh basically be a raped and assaulted by powerful people
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um and it's a very crazy story and again I'm not the expert in that I do include it in the book of course because it's
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very relevant but uh of course I'm drawing a lot from Brian's work on that we we covered the Jerry Sandusky uh
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situation now he was the guy from Penn State who was sexually abusing the
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students constantly and that and that through that through that story I learned that there are networks of these
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pedophiles and they have conventions almost right and that Jerry Sandusky would take and they'd take their boys to
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be traffic there to trade them and stuff like that and yeah if I'm not mistaken wasn't Louis free the former FBI
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director involved in some aspect of of the of covering up sandusky's activities because he was also later hired by
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um Associates of Jeffrey Epstein to intimidate his victims really no kidding
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so let's let's move let's move on what's Clinton's FBI director yeah and then of
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course of course Bill Clinton's on the Jeffrey Epstein light flight logs 27 times uh even though he said it was only
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four right wasn't it 27 he showed up or 32. uh if something like that well some
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of them are multiple trips so they show up on the flight logs multiple times because he was for example going on this
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big trip around Africa and so there were multiple flights within that one broader trip right so sometimes it sounds kind
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of misleading you know to say 27 because they they were you know part of the same long journey around different countries
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in Africa but it was a significant amount of times and I don't think Bill Clinton is telling the truth about his relationship with Jeff Jeffrey I've seen
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it all actually at that point in time Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton had known each other for about decade or so
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which mainstream media seems uninclined and not interested in talking about at
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all and Epstein was actually helping him set up the Clinton foundation and the Clinton Health Access initiative and
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this is after more than a decade of Jeffrey Epstein uh being involved in the most controversial fundraisers in
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Clinton presidential history right after and he um began his involvement with Clinton
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fundraising right after his name was dropped from the case where he was named The Mastermind of one of the biggest
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Ponzi schemes in U.S history so he basically goes from being one of the a notorious Financial criminal to becoming
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um you know a a financial wizard for the clintons the Clinton family and so that's why he was probably picked to uh
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set up what a lot of people refer to as the family's political slush fund the Clinton Foundation
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so so that that's what that was the Clinton Foundation was a was a way to
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keep you know while they weren't in elected office pay to play politics with the clintons yes exactly for like that's
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how they do it yeah they turn cronyism into an art form and pay to play yeah and uh but you know uh Sam Harris will
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tell you nothing they've done with compares to Trump University Trump University is almost like a
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cartoon of a scandal compared to this right am I right
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well when you're looking at Epstein to me you know uh the relationship with the
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Clinton White House that Epstein had is much more damning than the Trump relationship in the 90s so apparently
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the Epstein depending on who you believe right the Epstein Trump relationship fizzled out in the early 2000s over a
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botched real estate deal where they were both competing over a palm uh Palm Beach Mansion they wanted to buy
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um but in in the 90s it seems like you know in the late 80s Epstein and Trump
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were partying together and were very much part of the same social milieu um and then it seems like he helped uh
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arrange uh for Trump's uh two girlfriends in the 90s one of whom he
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ended up marrying Melania Trump the first one was a woman named Selena middle fart who's a Norwegian heiress
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who actually accompanied Epstein on one of his 17 White House visits to the Clinton White House um and uh that was uh Trump's girlfriend
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before Melania um in my book I talk about how um in my opinion Jeffrey scene was
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involved in two parallel operations of sex trafficking so there's the one that everyone knows about about the underage
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exploited girls but then there's these women that he invests in a lot of times when they're minors but then funds their
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education and what have you over time and really like develops them as assets and then he marries them off to his
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powerful friends and so it seems like those two women Selena middle fart and depending on again who you believe uh
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he's alleged to have introduced Trump to Melania Trump uh that both of those were
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sort of arranged by him so so tell so so tell me more about uh
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Jeffrey Epstein uh and his work with the government like his ties with the CIA
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and stuff can you talk more about that okay so it's not just the CIA Israeli intelligence plays a major role here and
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I would argue in terms of the sexual blackmail activities that's going to be Israeli intelligence above the CIA but
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most likely sharing and talent intelligence with the CIA yeah but
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earlier on in the 1980s which appeared in the early 80s which is when it seems like he gets directly involved with
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intelligence it appears to have been the CIA and then he gets tied up with the Maxwells sometime in the in the late 80s
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or early 90s and um at that point it um
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shift again is it just Lane Maxwell's father wasn't she in the Mossad yeah so Robert Maxwell was uh very much
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involved with Israeli intelligence uh several scandals actually that are poorly explored but really should be so
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for example he sold uh software that had a back door for Israeli intelligence to
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two highly classified nuclear labs in the United States Sandia and Los Alamos
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um and so all our nuclear secrets were stolen via Espionage by the same uh you know uh the same guy who was handling
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Robert Maxwell in this case Rafi Eton Rafi Eton was also the Handler of Jonathan Pollard who was on the other
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as you know a big Israeli Espionage Scandal of of the 1980s um because he was stealing a bunch of
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military secrets and giving it to Israel so is that's that's that's a situation
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where Israel was spying on us the United States yes yes and it actually has
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happened a lot um but uh we can either talk about that or uh return to Epstein I'm not sure
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what you're let's return to Epstein okay so um Epstein in the early 1980s well from
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the late 70s to the early 1980s he's working at Bear Stearns he has to leave bear Stearns under her basically it
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seems like a cloud of Scandal he was being he was being investigated or by the SEC over allegations that he was
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involved in insider trading that involved the bronfman family company Seagrams and
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um he appears to have been advised to leave his post at Bear Stearns so at
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that point he sort of enters this murky world where he claims he's either hiding or finding money uh for powerful people
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looted money so stolen money so either he's helping Financial criminals hide their loot or he's helping the victims
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of financial criminals find what was stolen from them so that should tell you right away that Jeffrey Epstein was an
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expert in Shadow Banking and illicit Finance um his clients his main clients
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allegedly during this time uh was at Nan khashoggi that's coming from a former business partner of his Steve hoffenberg
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who's dead now um and Vicki Ward as well and Adnan khashoggi at this particular period of
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time was on the payroll of Israeli intelligence involved with U.S intelligence Saudi intelligence many intelligence agencies but most
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importantly he's one of the guys that in this exact period of time is setting into motion what later becomes known as
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Iran Contra so one of his main Banks was called BCCI the bank of credit and
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commerce International which was really much more than a bank it was really a private intelligence apparatus that was
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set up with a set up by Pakistani intelligence with the involvement of the CIA and that particular Bank was
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actually involved itself in sex trafficking minors to the elites of the United Arab Emirates
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including prepubescent kids so it's very possible that uh Jeffrey Epstein learned
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that art from them uh or he learned it from Anan khashoggi who used his yacht
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to sexually blackmail businessmen and politicians so they would buy weapons from him um so straight from the off you have
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um uh something so it's not right here so let me ask you questions let me ask you a quick question how do powerful
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people not see this kind of stuff coming like how do they allow themselves to get
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entrapped by someone sec in a sex thing like this well you know I think after writing
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these books that depending on the the circle of powerful people you're talking about
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um this is kind of normal this kind of depravity is kind of normal in some of these circles in the other cases it
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might be naivety you know they don't expect to be entrapped at this party or have this uh filmed when they go
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somewhere and everyone else is doing it so why don't I partake as well I mean there's a lot of different reasons and
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another possible reason too is that um I think that you know intelligence agencies don't just blackmail uh people
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once they're in power I think there are cases where they blackmail people who are unknown and then Elevate them into
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positions of power in that way they're controlled right from the very beginning yeah so then they can just partake as
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much as they want right okay so I'm sorry I interrupt to go back to your Jeffrey Epstein timeline yeah so at the
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same time at Nan khashoggi hires Jeffrey Epstein as a client to do Finance stuff
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for him he hires Roy Cohn as a lawyer and he hires Robert Keith Gray as his PR guy Robert Keith Gray is the guy behind
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the page boy Scandal we talked about earlier and I just mentioned how Roy Cohn also had a long-standing
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involvement of sexual blackmail and at this time Roy Cohn is also best known as a mob lawyer
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so it's very interesting you have these people all swimming around at nankashoggi and the other interesting thing is that uh just before this Roy
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Khan and Robert Keith Gray had worked very closely with Bill Casey at the Reagan campaign they worked directly under him
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a bill Casey a CIA director at this point um but right uh probably two but that
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was only about two months before Jeffrey Epstein left bear Stearns and before he was CIA director Bill Casey was the
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lawyer for Bear Stearns so that's kind of an interesting connection because you
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have you know legal trouble for Epstein at Bear Stern so it wouldn't necessarily
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have been Casey saying that he should go it would have been whoever Casey put in charge of his legal portfolio why he CIA
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director that would have told him that and then he starts hanging around with all these uh you know Casey Associates
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involved in sexual blackmail and then Adnan khashoggi who's the guy that is being used by Casey and others to set in
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demotion Iran Contra and I ran Contra a lot of times is misunderstood is just the arms for hostage crisis but really
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what it was um in a broader sense um was Bill Casey was denied by Congress
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funding for sending weapons to the contras so he wanted to find a way to avoid ever having to ask Congress for
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money again right he wanted to find a way to make the black budget self-sustaining so he didn't have to
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have congressional oversight of anything the CIA did ever again so it wasn't just about the contras it
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was about finding rackets that would you know feed money into the CIA so they could do whatever covert operation uh
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they wanted anywhere in the world and so when I ran Contra that's why you drug trafficking and arms trafficking uh
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being major revenues of income for that particular operation and the Contra support apparatus and of course there's
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there's a lot more going on there but that's essentially the world that Jeffrey Epstein is stepping into in the 1980s to a significant degree and then
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in the later 80s he gets involved with Leslie Wexner who's also tied to organized crime and a
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lot of other crazy stuff um and then Stephen hoffenberg with whom he plans this giant Ponzi scheme and
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then as I mentioned earlier his name gets dropped from the case and he's going and hanging around the Clinton White House
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wow so so then and then he just it's amazing so
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he comes from bears and Stearns I didn't know Casey came from so the former well he was he was the lawyer yeah so he was
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yeah yeah but it's amazing I mean it's really fascinating to me it is
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fascinating all these and so um so he he gets him so then he's and then
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he just Pals with the president of the United States he becomes Pals with Bill Clinton and now now and we all know the story
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from there right so that and then and then he just keep so it's even weirder than that so the first
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guy that invites Jeffrey Epson to the right White House is Robert Rubin and Robert Rubin later becomes treasury
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secretary under Clinton but at this point he's director of the National Economic Council but right before that
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and this is in the beginning of 93 so Reuben had only been in that position for a couple months before that he's the
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head of Goldman Sachs which is the bank that was the biggest accessory arguably to Robert Maxwell's Financial crimes
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including the stealing of the pension money uh from uh the people that work at the mirror group
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and some of the media organizations that he ran and so that's an interesting connection you're talking about jizzling
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Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell Robert Maxwell okay so they died in 1991 under uh odd
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circumstances again yeah it seems like he seems like the Mossad killed him right
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that's the uh that that seems to be the case yes even galane Maxwell thinks that she says it was a rogue Assad agents and
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Sicilian contract Hitmen that killed her father she doesn't believe her father died of a suicide yeah
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uh why is she allowed so the the big the big question people have about her is
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that how could she be I don't I don't think you have an answer but how could she be convicted of child trafficking
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sex trafficking but there aren't any of her Johns where are the people she trafficked those kids to
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go ahead Nancy do you know they're not they're not going to release it remember what I mentioned earlier about that
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Client List they had that tried the girl that tried that slept with John F Kennedy and the FBI is like we don't
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need this we're just gonna like light it on fire and get rid of it yeah so the FBI is not there to investigate and hold
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the powerful to account they are there to cover up for their crimes and uh step on you basically the little people
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um okay so they're not gonna release it right this is my point because and I don't think Elaine Maxwell's going to
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talk either because she went from this dingy prison that Epstein quote unquote killed himself in and but now she's in
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Country Club prison in Florida doing yoga and having vegan Thanksgiving dinners and apparently having a grand old time why do you think they didn't
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kill her but they killed him you mean Epstein yes they killed Epstein
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everyone knows they did I think Elaine Maxwell after what happened to not just her father but also Epstein uh was
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willing to keep her mouth shut to stay alive and he he wasn't
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I think he was more of a liability because he's not just involved in sex trafficking right he's involved in major
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Financial crimes and a lot of other stuff okay Colleen Maxwell is definitely much more focused on sex trafficking
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though it seems like the whole Maxwell family well her siblings were very much involved in uh some crazy stuff with
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Microsoft and Bill Gates that I talk about in the book what's what's that
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yeah um so you may have heard the mainstream media narrative that Jeffrey Epstein and
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Bill Gates didn't need to meet each other until 2011 but that is a bunch of Hui uh because there's mainstream media
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articles from 2001 saying that Jeffrey Epstein uh made all his money from his
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business connections to Three Men and those three men are in this article uh
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Leslie Wexner Donald Trump and the third one is Bill Gates so how did Jeffrey Epsy make a bunch of
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money with Bill Gates if he didn't into that by 2001 if he didn't meet him until for another decade doesn't make a lot of
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sense right um and then you start looking at this whole relationship and it's very clear that there's no way that's true a really
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good example is a woman named Melanie Walker who was apparently supplied by
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Epstein to serve as prince Andrew at Zorro Ranch on a couple of occasions she was recruited by Epstein in 1992
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allegedly as a Victoria's Secret model but there's no evidence she ever actually modeled for Victoria's Secret
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he apparently was funding her education hires her as his science advisor in the late 90s
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um and then a couple years after that in the early 2000s she becomes the science
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advisor to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation so if you're going to apply to be science advisor the Bill and
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Melinda Gates Foundation and your CV says my most recent experience is being the science advisor to Jeffrey Epstein
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and your Bill Gates hiring your top science advisor you would have to know who Jeffrey Epstein is and what kind of
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science he's into right yes so so so Bill Gates uh
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in deep with Jeffrey Epstein and lying about it yeah but I think part of it's
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not just uh to protect Bill Gates it's to protect Microsoft because you also in the 90s have Jeffrey Epstein flying
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around on planes do official Microsoft functions in Russia uh apparently giving
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women to the chief technology officer who was very close to Bill Gates named Nathan mervald uh a relationship with
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another top Microsoft executive named Linda Stone who hired one of Epstein's Entourage to be her uh secretary all
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sorts of stuff uh going on there with Epstein and Microsoft and it's not just Epstein as I mentioned earlier uh the
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Maxwells uh Elaine Maxwell has very much invested in a company that was run by
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her twin sisters Christine and Isabelle um called the McKinley group or Magellan it was one of the first search engines
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they made an early deal with Microsoft in 1995 and it was Isabel Maxwell that
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made that deal specifically with Microsoft there's this very weird article in the guardian
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from 2000 where Isabel Maxwell and I read like for the book I read like maybe
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30 interviews Isabel Maxwell has given over the years and this is the only one where a journalist says uh she started
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purring and speaking in a fake southern accent and she does that when she talks about Bill Gates isn't that weird what
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um yeah yeah that is weird yeah it's weird so you
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know she must have known him pretty well uh I wish I had the article in front of me
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so I could quote from it it's very odd but she but uh the other thing too is that at that time she was subsequently
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running a different company uh that was very much tied to uh is the Israeli National Security State and the IDF and
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um that company was like hemorrhaging money and its IPO was going to collapse but uh it suddenly come uh the two
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Microsoft co-founders Paul Allen and Bill Gates and they pour a bunch of money uh into comtouch and basically
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rescue it and then give it more money even though it's never made a profit and doesn't really have a real product and
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uh according to Isabel Maxwell they put it on the map so there's a lot of associations between
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the Maxwell family and and Microsoft that should be looked at and same with Epstein and they haven't been so now
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what what about uh so now I tell this story on stage in a joke about
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um Alec Baldwin's names appears on the Jeffrey Epstein flight log right and
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um that lady that he shot uh the have you heard that rumor about
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what her next her next job was so I've heard the rumor but I don't know if it was confirmed or not yeah I haven't
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heard it confirmed okay so let's let's that's what about Whitney I was I've been watching a lot of interviews with
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you I was just on a plane watch a bunch of this you brought up um they're called the CIA of Wall Street the cruel English
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Associates yeah I mean because we know Nick Rolle that's his dad's company what
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you're Nicole's dad nickroll's dad's yeah what about what about Nick roll's dad's company what the CIA it's very
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sauce his company is called the US and Israeli intelligence veterans coming together to uh be the CIA of Wall Street
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it's who Weinstein hired to go check on his uh accusers like a race it's crazy
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what's the name of the company the CIA of Wall Street uh crawl Associates Jules
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Crowell is the guy that created it Nick is a boy Elaine Maxwell is that what we're saying
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oh I didn't know that well it's tied to improv who would have thought yeah do
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you remember when um that judge was shot she was going to look into that case yeah yes I do yeah so the guy that
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allegedly did a hit on her home is an ex-crawl Associates employee
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uh crawl Associates is also uh The Firm that Robert Maxwell hired right before his death
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um and uh a whole bunch of other stuff uh they did security uh at the World
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Trade Center when 9 11 happened all sorts of stuff with crawl Associates it's quite a ride uh to investigate them
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Ron Brown the guys that helped set them up was part of that uh sexual blackmail operation about uh John F Kennedy I
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mentioned earlier Tom corbally uh who was uh tied to organized crime in the U.S and then
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um went over to Britain and uh did stuff over there uh he was also hanging out with uh Heidi
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Fleiss the Hollywood madam
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um I watched a clip of when you talk about Ron Brown because I got like a stupid random memory right and and I
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remember Ron Brown the guy that died like back I can't remember what was George W in office but you were talking
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about Ron Brown's mysterious death I was like is this the same you said he would look like Lando oh that is him
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so Kyle dunnigant my buddy that I made comedy videos with his dad was the lawyer who had the big case against the
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NAT faulty navigational system that's my friend's dad was the lawyer
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that sued wow for that supposedly faulty navigational system and yeah you know
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the guy that was at the airport in Croatia that was supposedly partly responsible for the navigation error was
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found two days later after that plane crash uh with a shot with a gun wound to the chest and it was ruled as a suicide
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I don't know what you guys are talking about sorry I should go back yeah so let's let's go back to the Clinton White
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House Epstein visits for a second so I can explain where Ron Brown fits into all of this but this but before I start
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Ron Brown was Clinton's uh Secretary of Commerce okay
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um so we'll start there so Jeffrey Epstein I mentioned his first meeting was with Robert rube in a second uh
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meetings in 1993 were around this fundraiser that makes an appearance and Vince Vince Foster's suicide note among
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other things and then uh after that Jeffrey Epstein has 15 meetings in about
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a year with a guy named Mark Middleton Mark Middleton died earlier this year with an extension cord around his neck
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and a shotgun wound to the chest in Little Rock Arkansas which ruled a suicide well he must have been depressed
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here's the other thing Mark Middleton was so scandalous for what he was doing at the same time Jeffrey Epstein was
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meeting with him that he was being investigated by Congress and the only reason that investigation never finished
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is because the first time George W bush the subsequent president and invoked executive privilege was to keep
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documents about Mark Middleton from being made available to Congress Mark Middleton was not a big fish you would
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think at the White House he was just an aide to the chief of staff to Bill Clinton
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so what was going on with Mark Middleton there well it's mostly remembered as
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this scandal in 1996 called The Campaign Finance Scandal of 96 related to the
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fundraising of the DNC um for Clinton's re-election campaign
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but a lot of what was going on is that foreign citizens were laundering campaign contributions uh filling DNC
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coffers but a lot of it was targeting Ron Brown and a lot of what was going on there were efforts to change uh Commerce
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Department policy so that a lot of very sensitive military technology could be
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sent to adversary Nations uh when that was normally not allowed and some of the
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people at the center of this were people like uh Lockheed Martin CEOs who
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actually later goes on to create um inqutel for the CIA and you have
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um a guy named Bernard Schwartz that runs a race to run Laurel space he was one of Biden's biggest donors in 2020
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um and so basically you have this influence uh you know this basically this huge effort to undermine the
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Commerce department and buy off Ron Brown uh and Ron Brown at some point as all of this kept going on pieces of it
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began to unravel and he agreed to co-op with investig cooperate with investigators uh after uh not long after
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that he was unexpectedly invited to go on a trade mission to Croatia and the
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plane crashes because of a supposedly because of an aging navigational system
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yeah uh everyone on the plane uh dies except for a flight attendant that
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apparently walked away but then when she arrived at the hospital in a military helicopter she was at an arrival with a
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broken neck um and Ron Brown's Body uh was so odd
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when it was discovered uh that people in Congress called for it to be investigated because he appeared to have
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a bullet wound and a skull not caused by a plane crash but it wasn't just Ron Brown you had
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like 34 uh or so other people on the plane and they were all part of the same
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uh the ITA at the Commerce Department which was uh the most infiltrated by this broader campaign Finance Scandal
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China um was it called China Gate well some so conservatives call it China
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Gate but I would say that's a misnomer so it involved a lot of China stuff but the family that was really behind it
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were the riyadi family and they were based in Indonesia and the riyadi family were business partners and long time
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Associates of the guy named Jackson Stevens who basically bankrolled and was largely responsible for the Clinton
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family's rise to power uh you know when Bill Clinton became governor of Arkansas and so on and he was intimately involved
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in a lot of his companies were involved in things like Iran Contra the promise software Scandal a lot of major
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Espionage activity that's also tied to crime and
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of course you know Clinton era cronyism in the 80s and and Beyond and so the
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riyadi family sort of uh they were also very tied up with BCCI the same bank that Epstein was
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um apparently working with a happy family dude yeah but BCCI collapsed in
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1991 and so there were efforts after that by the same net work to find replacements and I think that's sort of
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what China Gate ended up being about well listen uh this is all fascinating
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and I wish we had more time to talk to you today we don't have to bring you back on because I'm I can tell there's a lot more stuff to
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talk about so uh but we have to we have to so we will uh we will try to find a time when
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you can come back on uh this is all very fascinating people in the chat are going crazy I'm gonna guess oh yeah yeah
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people are going nuts so uh everybody should check out uh this two books two volumes of this book One Nation Under
45:52
blackmail and the first one just kind of sets up how the government the CIA Israeli intelligence all create these
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sex the Mafia the mafia and the mafia come together that's right to create Synergy it's synergy
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[Laughter] vertical integration and the second one focuses more on
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Jeffrey Epstein and all his uh who is this guy Maxwell that's Robert Maxwell that's just Jillian's father okay but it
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also focuses a lot on Leslie Wexner who has not talked about enough and he's seriously a crazy dude I mean he in New
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York mag he told New York Magazine in 1985 that uh there's a demon that lives inside him and tells him what to do I'm
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not even kidding please go look it up and read it for yourself it sounds crazy but it's not he's a very respectful it
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is crazy but it's real you know but like why would you tell New York Magazine that unless you're like totally Off Your
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Rocker right you know um but anyway if any of this stuff sounds crazy to people I would encourage
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you to read the books I have exhaustively footnoted everything there's a source for everything I say you can go and check this out for
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yourself um please fact check me all you want Okay Whitney Webb the author of One
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Nation Under blackmail thank you for coming on thanks for writing the book and we look forward to talking to you again
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